Posts by Jeffro

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

pseudo-scholar:

Please look at the title of the book, Rainer does not refer to Exiles- plural but Exile- singular so one Exile which he describes as a 'catastrophe'.

Hahahahaha. Yes, pay no attention to the actual content of the book that completely contradicts the Watch Tower Society's deluded chronology. Just look at one word from the title that pseudo-scholar likes. 🤣

Further, he refers to deportations but only ONE major Exile

Duh. The major exile occurred in early 597 BCE. Perhaps pseudo-scholar has forgotten that after that initial major exile, "No one was left behind except the poorest people of the land" (2 Kings 24:14).

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

scholar:

False, the Bible clearly and unequivocally describes the 70 years as a Period of Exile or as many historians describe this period of Jewish History as the 'Exilic period'. Refer Rainer Albertz.

Okay, let's see what Rainer Albertz has to say... Israel in Exile by Rainer Albertz, page 81:

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

Rocketman123 (quoting NLT):

The land finally enjoyed its Sabbath rest, lying desolate

Except that isn’t what Jeremiah said. That’s from Leviticus 26:34-35. It is clumsy writing, but in addition to the period of nations serving Babylon for 70 years, the reference to Leviticus alludes to the fact that the period from Jerusalem’s destruction until the Jews’ return was 49 years (see full context of Leviticus chapters 25-26).

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

MeanMrMustard:

Jer 25:12 states the seventy years would end, then Babylon would be called to account. It says it explicitly, directly. You are just mistaken, as is the WT.

Given the directness of the statements at Jeremiah 25:11-12 (and others), it is granting him a lot of latitude to say he is "mistaken". More accurately, it is a delusion.

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2021 Lapel Cards!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

this should work.

i don't know how long the link will be active.. .

https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:us:8f3da700-8e37-4e57-904a-56912cf53407.

Jeffro

Isn't it a 'virtual' convention? Do people need to wear a label card at home in case other people in the same house don't recognise them?

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

scholar:

Nope. The seventy years was a period of the Exile in Babylon, Desolation of the Land of Judah and Servitude to Babylon beginning with the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE. and ending with the Return in 537 BCE. Nice and easy!!!

The only reason JWs say the Jews 'must' have returned in 537 BCE is because they count 2,520 years backwards from 1914 to arrive at 607 BCE and then count forward 70 years to arrive at 537. If you were a JW in 1942 before they realised there was no 'year 0' between 1 BCE and 1 CE 🤦‍♂️, you would be asserting that Jerusalem was destroyed in 606 BCE and that they returned in 536 BCE.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

Rocketman123:

Many modern biblical researchers were skeptical about the wording of the declaration as described in the Book of Ezra. Among other things, they claimed that it was improbable that a Persian king would have made a declaration in Hebrew or declared that he was acting as a messenger of the God of Israel.

But archeological excavations conducted in the ancient city of Babylon in 1879, discovered a clay cylinder bearing a long inscription in Akkadian. The inscription included a plea made by King Cyrus to the Babylonians in which he declared that he had acted on behalf of the Babylonian god Marduk. "I, Cyrus King of Babylonia… Marduk the Great Lord… blessed me… and I built for them a permanent Temple. I gathered all their inhabitants and restored their place of residence." This archeological discovery strengthened the view that Cyrus was sympathetic and supportive of all the peoples under his rule and that the Declaration which appeared in the Bible was an accurate reflection of history.

Cyrus was indeed tolerant of other religious beliefs (because it helped keep the conquered peoples in check), but it isn't the case that Cyrus made a special decree unique to the Jews as is claimed in the Bible. The cited inscription, which makes no reference to the Jews, indicates that Cyrus had a temple built in honour of Marduk (to placate the conquered Babylonians), and he allowed other peoples captured by Babylon to restore their homeland. There is no indication (nor reason) that Cyrus would have a temple built in honour of Marduk in Jerusalem, which would in any case be inconsistent with his religious tolerance.

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

scholar:

Nonsense. The 70 years only ended when the Jews had returned with the seventh month in 537 BCE which ended the Exile by means of the Decree of Cyrus. The date 538 BCE is bogus as you well know.

No part of that statement is true. Unless you meant to put a colon after "Nonsense".

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

scholar:

False, the Bible clearly and unequivocally describes the 70 years as a Period of Exile or as many historians describe this period of Jewish History as the 'Exilic period'. Refer Rainer Albertz.
Biblical texts that describe the 70 years as exilic are the following: Jer. 25:11-12; 29:10 2 Chron 36:20-23; Dan 9:1-19.

No, doofus. Historians date the initial exile to early 597 BCE and the destruction of Jerusalem to 587 BCE (with some Christian sources preferring 586). None of the passages mentions 70 years of exile

Jer. 25:11-12 refers to nations serving Babylon, not exile (and Jeremiah 27:8-11 specifies that serving Babylon is the way to avoid exile).
Jer. 29:10-14 specifies that returning to Jerusalem necessarily follows the end of the 70 years
2 Chron 36:20-23 stipulates that nations served Babylon until the kingdom of Persia began, not until Jews returned from exile, with the return following the end of serving Babylon (and also noting that the interpolation from Leviticus 26:34-35 is not 'the word of Jeremiah')
Dan 9:1-19 (written in the 2nd century BCE) reflects recognition of the order events of Jeremiah 29:10-14, being that 70 years would end and then attention would be given to the Jews' return

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Interesting Find with Chronology

by Kelley959 in

i hope this is in the right area.

i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

Jeffro

scholar:

For starters, The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings, Edwin Thiele; Handbook of Biblical Chronology, Jack Finegan; The Chronology of the Old Testament, Floyd Nelson Jones.

Ho hum... no argumentation provided and nothing new here. Only one of those is a recent source, and he inconsistently applies dating systems for the reigns of Jehoiakim and Zedekiah (giving Zedekiah a 13-month accession period) resulting in his error of 586.