The ‘generation’ in question (being the typical definition of a ‘generation’) was indeed from Jesus’ time until the ‘great tribulation’. The ‘great tribulation’ was the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE which immediately followed the ‘trampling of Jerusalem’ from 66 CE to 70 CE (3.5 times, 42 months, 1260 days)
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178Interesting Find with Chronology
by Kelley959 ini hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
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It took a lot of lies, ignorance and corruption to create CHURCHIANITY!
by TruthMatters inhave you gone back to that- or lost you faith because of 'brothers'?.
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Haha, yep, quietly ignore obvious flaws in JW interpretations and just create another thread. 😂
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Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible
by TruthMatters init just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.
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No. 🤦♂️ I’m saying that whatever it is (if it exists at all) it isn’t ‘God’s power’.
It’s so hard for some people when things go off-script. 😂
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Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible
by TruthMatters init just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.
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What are you on about? 😂 As expected, you’re completely ignoring the fundamental problem I pointed out with the JW interpretation of the ‘holy spirit’. Nothing to do with ‘private thoughts’.
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by TruthMatters init just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.
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You mean there were Christians who had never heard of God’s power? 😂
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Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible
by TruthMatters init just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.
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Haha... so what's the holy spirit again? Just the application of God's power?
Acts 19:2:
and said to them: “Did you receive holy spirit when you became believers?” They replied to him: “Why, we have never heard that there is a holy spirit.”
2 Corinthians 6:6, 7:
by purity, by knowledge, by patience, by kindness, by holy spirit, by love free from hypocrisy, 7 by truthful speech, by God’s power; through the weapons of righteousness in the right hand and in the left,
Oops. Let the word-mincing begin. 🤣
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Interesting Find with Chronology
by Kelley959 ini hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
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Jeffro
Rattigan350:
Jehoikim was king for 11 years starting around610. ... The 3rd year of Jehoiakim was 607 That started the 70 years of captivity that ended in 537.
Not quite. 2 Kings 23:36 gives Jehoiakim's reign as 11 years (counting his accession year), and we know his last year was 598 BCE. So his 3rd year using Nisan-based dating (not counting his accession year per the Babylonian and subsequent custom) was 605 BCE (up until early 604 BCE prior to Nisan), which is when Nebuchadnezzar returned to the area to demand tribute after he claimed the throne.
The 70 years (of nations serving Babylon, not Jewish exile) ran from Babylon's conquest of Assyria in 609 BCE (conquest of Haran following the earlier conquest of Nineveh in 612) until Cyrus' conquest of Babylon in 539 BCE.The Jews returned in 538 BCE, not 537. This was during the first year of Cyrus with temple construction beginning in 537, as confirmed by Josephus.
And that would end in 1914 when Jesus would be sovereign king on Jehovah's throne in heavenly Jerusalem.
Entirely wrong. 1914 is based on superstitious nonsense and nothing more (and the fact that something was 'supposed' to happen suddenly in or after October of 1914 is generally ignored by JWs and they just focus on the fact that 'something' significant happened in that year). The context of Luke 21:24 refers to a period that had not started in Jesus' time, and the duration of the 'appointed times of the nations' (when Jerusalem was 'trampled') is identified in Revelation as 3.5 times, 42 months and 1260 days, all being 3.5 years, and refers to the period from the Roman response to the Jewish revolt in 66 CE culminating in Jerusalem's destruction in 70 CE.
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Interesting Find with Chronology
by Kelley959 ini hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
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scholar:
Does this comment indicate your skill in linguistics and in Hebrew and Greek?
😂 Actually, the order of the chapters of Jeremiah in the Greek Septuagint (with the proclamations against individual nations inserted between the first and second halves of what we call chapter 25) makes it even more clear that the 70 years applied to all the surrounding nations serving Babylon and definitely not just ‘Jewish exile’.
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Interesting Find with Chronology
by Kelley959 ini hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
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scholar:
You misread me for I have never said that you have copied another's work but have been heavily influenced by the work of others and fallen under their spell
You said ‘rehash’ but regardless of the semantics, you’re still wrong. I researched the subject from scratch using only the Bible and comparison with JW literature and then comparison with encyclopaedias and ancient historians. Even once I heard about COJ I delayed reading his work to maintain an independent analysis.and as I was part of that long-running controversy on this forum over many years there can be no doubt that I have contributed to your obsession with JW Chronology.
Don’t flatter yourself. At best, your role in this is a comic foil demonstrating the irrationality of the opposing view for me to respond for the benefit of other readers.
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Interesting Find with Chronology
by Kelley959 ini hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
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scholar:Jesus made that statement
There is no way of proving that claim.
the Witnesses worldwide have been are being persecuted for their faith. As a matter of fact.
Lots of people and groups are persecuted around the world for their religious beliefs. Singling out persecution of members of your preferred group as some indication of 'approval by Jesus' is entirely irrational.
Hardly. I have never been threatened win discussions of Chronology as it is simply 'grist to the mill' with no hint of being intimidated. The only information you provide is a rehash of COJ, some pretty charts with no original ideas or research merely limping on the back of scholar who most likely because of his posts on this forum decades ago introduced you to this subject of Chronology. If it were not for scholar your scribblings would not exist.
There you go again claiming I've copied someone else's work, dismissing my work as 'pretty charts' without research, all signs confirming that you feel threatened. You then try to claim credit by imagining that I've provided information merely as a result of your posts, which is also wrong (I would give some credit to former posters on here like AnnOMaly, Leolaia and Alan Feuerbacher for encouraging deeper research though). In fact, I wasn't even aware of this forum when I first posted information online (some of which was copied by JWFacts) - you can readily verify the year 2004 in the footer of my timeline and my first post on this forum in 2005. So yet again, you are shown to be wrong. 🤣
The fact remains that JW chronology is objectively incorrect.