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  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

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  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

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  Jeffro

  scholar:

  Nonsense: If this is really the case then you should be able to tabulate historically when each of those nations served Babylon.

  Yes, you're right - that is nonsense. Ironically, the Watch Tower Society actually put it best on this one in Isaiah's Prophecy, volume 1, page 253:
  

  True, the island-city of Tyre is not subject to Babylon for a full 70 years, since the Babylonian Empire falls in 539 B.C.E. Evidently, the 70 years represents the period of Babylonia’s greatest domination—when the Babylonian royal dynasty boasts of having lifted its throne even above “the stars of God.” (Isaiah 14:13) Different nations come under that domination at different times. But at the end of 70 years, that domination will crumble.

  Of course, it would be a fallactious argument from silence to assert that 70 years can only be applied to Judah because specific periods of desolation are not known for every nation (or any particular subset) that was subject to Babylon.
  
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  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

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  Jeffro

  The ‘generation’ in question (being the typical definition of a ‘generation’) was indeed from Jesus’ time until the ‘great tribulation’. The ‘great tribulation’ was the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE which immediately followed the ‘trampling of Jerusalem’ from 66 CE to 70 CE (3.5 times, 42 months, 1260 days)
  
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  It took a lot of lies, ignorance and corruption to create CHURCHIANITY!

  by TruthMatters in

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  have you gone back to that- or lost you faith because of 'brothers'?.

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  Jeffro

  Haha, yep, quietly ignore obvious flaws in JW interpretations and just create another thread. 😂
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  Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible

  by TruthMatters in

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  it just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.

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  Jeffro

  No. 🤦‍♂️ I’m saying that whatever it is (if it exists at all) it isn’t ‘God’s power’.

  It’s so hard for some people when things go off-script. 😂
  
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  Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible

  by TruthMatters in

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  it just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.

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  Jeffro

  What are you on about? 😂 As expected, you’re completely ignoring the fundamental problem I pointed out with the JW interpretation of the ‘holy spirit’. Nothing to do with ‘private thoughts’.
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  Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible

  by TruthMatters in

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  it just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.

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  Jeffro

  You mean there were Christians who had never heard of God’s power? 😂
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  Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible

  by TruthMatters in

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  it just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.

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  Jeffro

  Haha... so what's the holy spirit again? Just the application of God's power?

  Acts 19:2:

  and said to them: “Did you receive holy spirit when you became believers?” They replied to him: “Why, we have never heard that there is a holy spirit.”

  2 Corinthians 6:6, 7:

  by purity, by knowledge, by patience, by kindness, by holy spirit, by love free from hypocrisy, 7 by truthful speech, by God’s power; through the weapons of righteousness in the right hand and in the left,
  

  Oops. Let the word-mincing begin. 🤣
  
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  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

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  Jeffro

  Rattigan350:

  Jehoikim was king for 11 years starting around610. ... The 3rd year of Jehoiakim was 607 That started the 70 years of captivity that ended in 537.

  Not quite. 2 Kings 23:36 gives Jehoiakim's reign as 11 years (counting his accession year), and we know his last year was 598 BCE. So his 3rd year using Nisan-based dating (not counting his accession year per the Babylonian and subsequent custom) was 605 BCE (up until early 604 BCE prior to Nisan), which is when Nebuchadnezzar returned to the area to demand tribute after he claimed the throne.

  The 70 years (of nations serving Babylon, not Jewish exile) ran from Babylon's conquest of Assyria in 609 BCE (conquest of Haran following the earlier conquest of Nineveh in 612) until Cyrus' conquest of Babylon in 539 BCE.
  

  The Jews returned in 538 BCE, not 537. This was during the first year of Cyrus with temple construction beginning in 537, as confirmed by Josephus.

  And that would end in 1914 when Jesus would be sovereign king on Jehovah's throne in heavenly Jerusalem.

  Entirely wrong. 1914 is based on superstitious nonsense and nothing more (and the fact that something was 'supposed' to happen suddenly in or after October of 1914 is generally ignored by JWs and they just focus on the fact that 'something' significant happened in that year). The context of Luke 21:24 refers to a period that had not started in Jesus' time, and the duration of the 'appointed times of the nations' (when Jerusalem was 'trampled') is identified in Revelation as 3.5 times, 42 months and 1260 days, all being 3.5 years, and refers to the period from the Roman response to the Jewish revolt in 66 CE culminating in Jerusalem's destruction in 70 CE.
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  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

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  Jeffro

  scholar:

  Does this comment indicate your skill in linguistics and in Hebrew and Greek?

  😂 Actually, the order of the chapters of Jeremiah in the Greek Septuagint (with the proclamations against individual nations inserted between the first and second halves of what we call chapter 25) makes it even more clear that the 70 years applied to all the surrounding nations serving Babylon and definitely not just ‘Jewish exile’.
  
  
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  Interesting Find with Chronology

  by Kelley959 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i hope this is in the right area.

  i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.

  for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.

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  Jeffro

  scholar:

  You misread me for I have never said that you have copied another's work but have been heavily influenced by the work of others and fallen under their spell

  You said ‘rehash’ but regardless of the semantics, you’re still wrong. I researched the subject from scratch using only the Bible and comparison with JW literature and then comparison with encyclopaedias and ancient historians. Even once I heard about COJ I delayed reading his work to maintain an independent analysis.

  and as I was part of that long-running controversy on this forum over many years there can be no doubt that I have contributed to your obsession with JW Chronology.

  Don’t flatter yourself. At best, your role in this is a comic foil demonstrating the irrationality of the opposing view for me to respond for the benefit of other readers.