Posts by Jeffro

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Jeffro

scholar:

Furuli carried out independent research and has always shown to be an independent thinker and scholar right from the days of his first published work.

He’s certainly an ‘independent thinker’ as far as scholarly consensus goes. 🤣 But it’s blatantly obvious that his efforts were targeted at ‘affirming’ JW interpretations. All those pesky verses at just the wrong places that need novel explanations. 🤣

Further, your claim to have arrived independently as the best scholarship amounts to the simple fact that you were either directly or indirectly influnence by Carl Jonsson's GTR.

Fallacy: argument from incredulity. As much as it pains you to realise that multiple people can independently arrive at the same factual conclusionr from the information in the Bible, I hadn’t even heard of Jonsson, his book, or this forum, or even any other secular arguments about the period when I first thoroughly debunked the JW 607 doctrine.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Jeffro

scholar:

At the very least Furuli is a scholar which you are not.

Unlike Furuli, I’ve independently arrived at the same conclusions as the best scholarship. Furuli is a pariah as far as his JW apologetics go.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Jeffro

scholar:

even Rolf Furuli

hahaha... I like the way you say "even Rolf Furuli", as if he's supposed to be a particularly credible source for such matters.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Jeffro

scholar:

a theory similar to your spurious claim that Daniel was written in the Seleucid period.

I don't even need to respond to your other nonsense because this well demonstrates the level of your dishonesty and/or ineptitude. It is the scholarly consensus and a matter of historical fact, and not merely my 'specious claim', that Daniel was written during the Seleucid period.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Jeffro

scholar:

What is false about your post is the claim that Daniel in this instance used a different calendrical system.

Wrong again, 'scholar'. Daniel's use of Nisan/accession dating is consistent throughout the book of Daniel, and it was the dating system used in Babylon where the story is set (and where Daniel was purportedly educated), the subsequent Persian period when JWs believe Daniel was written, and the Seleucid period when Daniel was actually written.

Jeremiah's use of Tishri/non-accession dating is also consistent for kings of Judah. There is insufficient information in Jeremiah to confirm whether he uses Nisan or Tishri dating for Babylonian kings (though likely Nisan consistent with 2 Kings), but he consistently uses non-accession dating (except for the Babylonian interpolation at Jeremiah 52:28-30, which is evident from the relative references to the 7th and 18th years).

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Jeffro

scholar:

What your pretty chart demonstrates the validity of WT Chronology and its scholarship based on biblical evidence.

It's already obvious that you're too deep in your delusion. You don't need to keep affirming it.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Jeffro

'scholar':

You need to this inaccurate history especially to Jehoiakim's 'third year'.

Seems to be a verb missing there, but let's ignore that for now... Shame on you trying to confuse Vidqun when you should know very well that Jehoiakim's 'third year' as referenced by Daniel uses Nisan/accession dating and refers to the year that began in Nisan 605 BCE and specifically to events in early 604 BCE, as opposed to Jeremiah's reference to his fourth year using Tishri/non-accession dating.

More detail here.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Jeffro

scholar:

also our facts are well presented in your pretty chart on JW Chronology which proves that we rely on all of the facts and nothing but the facts for we are a people of facts so to speak.

🤣

My chart of the flawed JW chronology certainly highlights many of the faults with JW dogma. An updated version will be posted next month (no revelations, just some minor layout changes). It's always best to check the site for the current version as old links won't work.

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Vaccine Deaths

by Sea Breeze in

it is reported that in the usa, 30 people are dying per day after receiving the corona vaccine.

anyone else hear about this?

- article.

Jeffro

LV101

There's no transparency re/the actual death rate from the vaccine.

For argument's sake, lets generously pretend the death rate from the vaccine is 1000 times higher than reported. Even if that were the case, it would still be lower than the death rate for COVID-19.

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Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 or 568 BC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

anybody know something about vat 4956?.

nebuchadnezzar's 37th year matches the year 588 bc?

any independant astronomer can test it and it only matches 568 bc.. .

Jeffro

'scholar', you're just going round in circles with the same claims, so no extended response is required. Your claims that actual scholars support the JW view of the exile are entirely dishonest, and your use of the term "exilic scholars" as a qualifier is not particularly helpful. (A Google search for "exilic scholars" and "70 years" together yields only two results; one is a scam and the other is a JW-related forum comment by you. Changing "70 years" to "seventy years" yields 6 results, being either of similar 'quality' or otherwise not supportive of your views.) You know very well that actual scholars view the exile from early 597 BCE and the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 BCE, and secular historians do not conflate Babylon's 70 years with the exile (and nor do Ezekiel or Jeremiah). Jeremiah explicitly states that Babylon's 70 years end and then Babylon is called to account, and Daniel explicitly indicates Babylon being called to account in the agreed year of 539 BCE. Jeremiah further explicitly states that attention is given to the Jews' return from exile after the 70 years had ended. There is simply no getting away from the fact that the 70 years ended in 539 BCE and are therefore not the same as the period of exile.