You do realise, I hope, that just because someone says something is a ‘prophecy’, it doesn’t actually mean it will really happen. You still seem caught up on thinking that calling something a ‘prophecy’ means it actually has predictive power.
Posts by Jeffro
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18Gog from Magog
by Kosonen ini saw an other thread about what the wt says who or what gog is.. my speculation is based on the following:.
in the end un will get the power for a short while, as taught in the wt literature.
this is based on revelation 17:12-14: "the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.
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Gog from Magog
by Kosonen ini saw an other thread about what the wt says who or what gog is.. my speculation is based on the following:.
in the end un will get the power for a short while, as taught in the wt literature.
this is based on revelation 17:12-14: "the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.
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Jeffro
No. If I say the sun will turn into cheese, the fact that it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t make it a ‘prophecy’. Saying something is a ‘prediction’ is not the same as something having predictive power.
If you’re saying that all types of prediction come under the category of ‘prophecy’, then, also no. Meteorologists do not prophesy the weather.
If you’re saying that any assertion about the future is a ‘prophecy’, then, yes, but only in a pointless kind of way.
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Gog from Magog
by Kosonen ini saw an other thread about what the wt says who or what gog is.. my speculation is based on the following:.
in the end un will get the power for a short while, as taught in the wt literature.
this is based on revelation 17:12-14: "the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.
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Jeffro
Vidqun:
The phrase ’acharith hayyamim (= the latter part of the days) corresponds with a new era in human history.
It is an element of the apocalyptic genre. It doesn’t have anything to do with our era though. The genre doesn’t actually have predictive powers, and the ‘prophecies’ necessarily refer only to a hypothetical period.
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Gog from Magog
by Kosonen ini saw an other thread about what the wt says who or what gog is.. my speculation is based on the following:.
in the end un will get the power for a short while, as taught in the wt literature.
this is based on revelation 17:12-14: "the ten horns that you saw mean ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they do receive authority as kings for one hour with the wild beast.
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Jeffro
No. Nothing in Ezekiel or Revelation has anything at all to do with China or the UN.
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"The End is Imminent" - Tony Morris, 2017
by Smiles in2017 tony morris jw gb.
"the end is imminent!".
timestamp (06:00).
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Jeffro
"Through his prophet, taking the standpoint of the end of this age, he is forewarning us of a great time of trouble which is just imminent (verses 5, 6, 21)—"a time of trouble such as was not since there was a nation" when the whole present order of things, civil, social and religious, shall be swept with the besom of destruction."
Zion's Watch Tower, 15 March 1895, page 72.
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"The End is Imminent" - Tony Morris, 2017
by Smiles in2017 tony morris jw gb.
"the end is imminent!".
timestamp (06:00).
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Jeffro
"we know that we face the imminent end of the present world system"
The Watchtower, 1 December 1952, page 709.
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Gog of Magog
by Truth and Justice incan someone explain or produce any information about what the new views are about the subject of gog of magog.
apparently, it has caused a stir and i like to know a little bit about it.
especially, when i had a brother who hasn’t talked to me in quite a while, starts talking about gog.
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Jeffro
Truth and Justice:
I would also like to make a very strong opinion. When a Witness wanted to discuss a chapter in Daniel, and I believe if not mistaken, it was chapter 11. She was telling me all the societies teaching in this chapter. What was so striking was she came up with names of individuals (regards to the characters in the chapter) that were NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN THE CHAPTER OF THE BIBLE.
The JW interpretation is based on the Adventist interpretation.
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Gog of Magog
by Truth and Justice incan someone explain or produce any information about what the new views are about the subject of gog of magog.
apparently, it has caused a stir and i like to know a little bit about it.
especially, when i had a brother who hasn’t talked to me in quite a while, starts talking about gog.
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Jeffro
I can see why it would be tempting to think that ‘Babylon the Great’ is Jerusalem based on the ‘get out of her’ as an analogy for Jerusalem’s destruction, but that is incorrect.
Though earlier writing of the ‘gospels’ is traditionally proposed to make parts seem prophetic, there is no tradition of an earlier writing of Revelation. The destruction of Jerusalem, including references to the period from 66-70, is already described in Revelation chapter 11. The destruction of ‘Babylon the Great’ refers to a later (hypothetical) destruction of Rome.
Revelation 17:9 identifies ‘Babylon the Great’ as sitting on 7 hills, easily recognised as ‘the seven hills of Rome’. Revelation 17:18 also says ‘Babylon the Great’ is a city with a kingdom over other kings, which very accurately describes the relationship between Rome and its various client kingdoms (one of which was Judea). Those descriptions do not fit Jerusalem.
Hence, ‘get out of her’ is better seen as a warning to Christians to avoid Rome. This would be particularly relevant during Trajan’s reign when Revelation was likely written.
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Gog of Magog
by Truth and Justice incan someone explain or produce any information about what the new views are about the subject of gog of magog.
apparently, it has caused a stir and i like to know a little bit about it.
especially, when i had a brother who hasn’t talked to me in quite a while, starts talking about gog.
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Jeffro
Some clarification is probably in order regarding 'Gog and Magog' as used in Revelation. Revelation 20:8 does not indicate that there are only two nations that would attack 'the beloved city'. (This is clear from the context of the earlier verses of the chapter, which indicate that all the nations from before Satan is imprisoned continue to exist throughout the thousand years without Satan to mislead them, and they are subsequently misled when he is released.) Nor does it mean that Gog is one 'coalition of nations' and Magog is another 'coalition of nations' that together form a single bigger 'coalition of nations'.
'Gog and Magog' as used in Revelation is an analogy, in the same way that Revelation uses Babylon as an analogy for (ancient) Rome. The whole phrase is used to represent all of the nations, but 'Gog' and 'Magog' as used in Revelation do not each depict any specific nation or nations.
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Gog of Magog
by Truth and Justice incan someone explain or produce any information about what the new views are about the subject of gog of magog.
apparently, it has caused a stir and i like to know a little bit about it.
especially, when i had a brother who hasn’t talked to me in quite a while, starts talking about gog.
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Jeffro
First they were wrong and said Gog was a demon. Later, they were wrong and said Gog was Satan. Now they are wrong and say Gog is a coalition of nations. At least they're consistent-ish.
Gog was a hypothetical enemy in Ezekiel who would attack Judea from the far north. It didn't happen. The term was later borrowed by the author of Revelation. (There was an intervening change in tradition around the 2nd century BCE so Gog of Magog became Gog and Magog.) In both cases, Gog is a leader and not a coalition of nations. Neither has anything to do with the modern era.