This discussion assumes the authenticity of the Bible. Whether or not that is true is a different subject matter.
Nope. I see no reason to play along with a ‘begging the question’ fallacy.
Posts by Jeffro
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540Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
Fisherman:
There was no parousia involving the whole earth on 70 and a Millennium that followed.
That’s because their religious superstitions were simply wrong.
Also, Jesus returns invisible riding a war horse before the great tribulation.
Nope. No such statement appears in the Bible. The rider of the white horse in Revelation chapter 6 isn’t named, it (and the other 3 horses in the chapter) is symbolic rather than ‘invisible’, it isn’t the Lamb who opens the seal that introduces the horse, and Jesus didn’t ‘invisibly conquer’ anything before the tribulation. The horses in Revelation chapter 6 all have a negative impact, and the white horse in Revelation 6:2 more reasonably refers to Roman oppression. The horse in chapter 19, whose rider is more reasonably identified as Jesus alludes to events that were supposed to happen after the tribulation had already ended.
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540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
‘scholar’:
Just read the book that I cited otherwise your comments are useless.
Huh? That makes no sense whatsoever. The facts of the origins of the Bible Student movement and associated denominations are not contingent on me reading anything in particular, and certainly not just because you say so. The Bible Student movement did not develop directly nor exclusively from millenarianism, and all of the relevant branches developed from Protestantism. It seems you are just trying to impress people by making yourself appear well-read (as you often attempt on this forum), even though you don’t accept what scholarly sources actually say on many subjects anyway. Just go away.
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
Entirely and obviously wrong. Many of Russell’s original adherents had left by the time of the name change.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watch_Tower_Society_presidency_dispute_(1917)
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540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
Fisherman:
The Parousia like the days of Noah involves a period of time, the time of the end identified by the sign of christ presence and people rejecting the good news of the kingdom until the climax when the son of man is revealed.
An incorrect parsing of the analogy, but ultimately unimportant. In any case, the ‘parousia’ was explicitly described as occurring after the tribulation had ended, and within a generation of Jesus’ time.
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540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
‘scholar’:
Utter nonsense. Have you read the book that i cited-?
I don’t take reading suggestions from you, which is in any case a fallacious appeal to authority due to your category error. Your ‘reasoning’ is like hearing someone say, “Parisians are French people in the northern hemisphere” and objecting, “No, they’re European!”
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
‘scholar’:
The Bible Students associated with the late Charles Russell became later identified as Jehovah's Witnesses.
Nope. That is a lie perpetuated by JWs. The branch of the Bible Student movement that retained control of the Watch Tower Society later adopted the name Jehovah’s Witnesses. Other Bible Student movement groups still exist, adhering more closely to Russell’s teachings to varying degrees.
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540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
‘scholar’:
the Bible Student's movement later becoming known as Jehovah's Witnesses
The Bible Student movement didn’t ‘become known as Jehovah’s Witnesses’. Jehovah’s Witnesses is one branch of the Bible Student movement.
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540
Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
(Millenarianism got autocorrected to millennialism in the second paragraph of the previous comment, but the point is still clear and there is some overlap in the meanings anyway.)
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Simple Question Re 1914
by Slidin Fast inwt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!
and the end times.
a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?
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Jeffro
‘scholar’:
Recent published historical research on the origins of the Bible Student's movement later becoming known as Jehovah's Witnesses shows that the early roots were not of Adventism and mainstream Protestantism but the 'Millenarian (Age-to-Come, Literalist) movement with such prophetic study from the start of the 17th century.
No, you’ve made a category error. 🤦♂️ Millenarians (specifically the belief in Christ’s second advent bringing about the 1,000 year reign) are Adventists. You may be confusing the term Adventist with the more specific ‘7th-day Adventists’ or some other offshoot. And the connections between the Millerite and Bible Student movements are well established. And all of them are offshoots of Protestantism.
If you really want to get specific, I suppose you could say JWs developed via the Bible Student movement via Adventism via Millerism via millennialism via Protestantism, but it still doesn’t get around their Adventist origins via Protestantism 😂