Posts by Jeffro

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Absolute rubbish! I see that the previous poster quotes from a Wikipedia source showing that the book of Daniel is about God's Kingdom which nicely agrees with the source I cited that you ignored but when it suits your argument you are quite happy to quote Wikipedia in a post referring to the history of the Bible Students.

Wrong again. I didn’t quote Wikipedia on this thread. I did provide one citation to a Wikipedia article for more information about the 1917 Watch Tower Society presidency dispute, but did not quote from that article either. It seems your are even more easily confused than I thought. But even if I had quoted Wikipedia on a different subject, it wouldn’t change the fact that God establishing a future kingdom is in fact not the ‘main theme’ of Daniel. It is entirely mundane that God’s kingdom is a theme in Daniel, with the obvious Jewish view that their own deity is ‘sovereign’, and with its 2 brief references to exaggerated claims about the Jews’ anticipated salvation after a period of oppression. None of it has anything to do with JWs entirely incorrect chronology of the Neo-Babylonian period or 1914.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

The book of Daniel is all about the period immediately before it was written in the 2nd century BCE. Specifically religious oppression under Antiochus IV Epiphanes with reference to Babylon as a metaphor. It also includes exaggerated end times claims typical of the apocalyptic genre. The inherent Jewish bias that their god was (already) sovereign is unsurprising.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

The fact that you think I lose in this instance is funny enough but the fact that you think it’s ‘once again’ is priceless.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Haha. Not at all impressed by your confirmation bias from an evangelical. The fact remains that the actual content of Daniel doesn’t support your position.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Haha. You’re a joke, ‘scholar’. Unable to make any actual direct refutation from the Bible itself, you insist, ‘no you just haven’t read this entire other subjective book that I won’t bother providing any detail from.’ Suffice to say you disagree with many of Waltke’s theological opinions so you’re cherry picking anyway.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

The fact that the book of Daniel has 'God's Kingdom as its main theme

This is a good example of Watch Tower Society lies regurgitated by ‘scholar’. Is ‘God’s kingdom’ really the ‘main theme’ of Daniel?

Chapters 4, 5 (quoting chapter 4) and 6 of Daniel allude to God already having a kingdom (all purportedly during the ‘seven times’), without any mention of it permanently replacing other kingdoms. Chapters 8, 9 and 11 of Daniel make no mention of God’s kingdom, and chapters 1, 3, 10 and 12 do not contain the word “kingdom” at all.

There are actually only two verses (2:44 and 7:14) in Daniel that refer to God setting up a future kingdom. Hardly the book’s ‘main theme’.

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Jammer:

You people are a bunch of fucking fools.

Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Rev19:11,14:14,Psalms:45:44 describes the rider.

Those verses (though you probably mean Psalm 45:4) say nothing about the rider of the horse at Revelation 6:2, and the rider of the horse in that verse is described differently to the one described in chapter 19, with different weapons and headwear and quite different purposes. (There also is not universal agreement among Christians that the rider of the horse at Revelation 6:2 is Jesus.)

The literary device and poetic language of the Bible is for believers.

Claiming that only 'believers' may interpret 'literary devices and poetry' in the Bible is plainly irrational. 'Believers' do not all agree on the meaning of the content, and many - including yourself - are completely willing to distort or ignore the plain reading of Bible passages to make it seem more consistent with events that 'just haven't happened yet', apparently unconcerned with the original authors' actual intent.

I see you reject the Bible so this discussion is not for you since you cannot even think in terms of assuming the Bible is true.

That is an especially asinine argument. Firstly, it is a false dichotomy to suggest that someone rejects 'the Bible', as if to say that everything in 'the Bible' is true or everything in 'the Bible' is false, whereas in reality the Bible contains a mixture of myth, superstition, poetry and history presented in a theological context. Secondly, different groups of Christians don't even agree on which books should be included in 'the Bible' or how to interpret them.

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Simple Question Re 1914

by Slidin Fast in

wt claims that satan was thrown out of heaven in october 1914 precipitating ww!

and the end times.

a small problem with that is ww1 started on july 28th 1914 whilst satan was still in heaven picking his nose.. how did we not see this and waste years of precious life?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

Your logic is based on the premise that the Bible is false but the premise in this discussion is that the Bible is true so your conclusions are based on a false premise relating to this discussion. You need to take a logic course.

Nope. I already also explained how you’re wrong in the context of assuming it is true.