I already explained that Watch Tower Society chronology of earlier events diverges to 68 years at the beginning of the divided kingdom rather than simply remaining a difference of 20 years, which requires placement of various events that are inconsistent with results found by the geomagnetic dating method even if the anchor point were simply moved to 607.
Posts by Jeffro
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88New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.
by waton infor what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.
by waton infor what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
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Jeffro
The original premise of the thread was incorrect because the method doesn’t establish the date of Jerusalem’s destruction. But I have also already pointed out that the method disproves Watch Tower Society chronology for earlier events in the Iron Age. And I further showed that you’re also wrong about the 70 years (which was initially brought up in this thread by you). And I didn’t say Jeremiah didn’t write Jeremiah (unless you think ‘Jeremiah’ is an unusual spelling of ‘Leviticus’ 😒), which doesn’t say anything about the land paying sabbaths. So you’ve been thoroughly trounced on every aspect. You can go now.
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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.
by waton infor what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
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Jeffro
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Of course, I’ve already demonstrated that the parenthetical statement about paying off sabbaths is from Leviticus. But even if this doofus could provide any evidence of his claim, the same passage in 2 Chronicles, consistent with Jeremiah’s direct statements about the 70 years, say it ended when Persia conquered Babylon, not later when (some of) the Jews returned from exile.
Poor lame apologists 🙄
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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.
by waton infor what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
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Jeffro
Oh, you’re still here. 😒 Still waiting for your evidence for your claim about Jeremiah mentioning the land paying off sabbaths. 😂
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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.
by waton infor what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
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Jeffro
What are you on about? (That’s rhetorical, I don’t really care.) An emoji isn't a ‘fallacy’ of any kind. Watch Tower’s self-published dogma is mostly ignored and otherwise criticised by experts in all relevant fields. Just go away.
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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.
by waton infor what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
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Jeffro
🤦♂️
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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.
by waton infor what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
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Jeffro
Every part of what you just said is wrong. Keenly awaiting your evidence that Jeremiah said anything about the land paying its sabbaths though. 😂🙄
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"The Truth"
by Ding inwe all know that jws consider the wt religion to be "the truth" and refer to it as such.. granted, that phrase is used repeatedly in the literature and from the platform.. but it's obvious that much of what the organization used to require jws to teach house-to-house as important truths--even within our own lifetimes--has been abandoned.
it's been replaced by "new light" and "refined understanding.
what's meant by "the 1914 generation" is a prime example.. in fact, i think it would be hard to find another religion that has changed so many of its teachings, especially in such a short period of time.. so why do jws still believe their religion to be "the truth"?.
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Jeffro
Following is a piece I wrote about their use of "the truth" in 2010...
In this thread I'm going to analyse, word-by-word, a basic expression typical of JWs - "I know it is the truth" - to indicate how such a simple expression is in fact a manipulative method of self-indoctrination, and to demonstrate how every word in JW cliches usually carries some jargonistic meaning for them.
I know it is the truth...
When someone affirms something with "I", they internalise it (or 'make the truth their own'). Over time, any affront to the internalised concept becomes an attack on their own ego. Any negative comment about JW beliefs or activities becomes something they take very personally, reinforcing the 'us vs. them' attitude already fostered by the religion.
I know it is the truth...
JWs don't 'know' their beliefs are truth, because there is no actual proof to support the premises of their 'faith'. Like members of any religion, they *believe* they have the truth. Using the word 'know' is a convenient thought-terminating cliche to avoid actually rationally analysing what they believe.
I know it is the truth...
Many JWs only really know the fundamentals of what 'it' actually is that they believe, and quite a few even have trouble explaining those. Many 'qualified ministers' among JWs don't have a clear understanding of how they establish 1914 as the end of the 'Gentile Times', much less about 'Ezekiel's temple vision' or 'Jehovah's celestial chariot'. But they will happily say that 'whatever they believe' is 'truth'.
I know it is the truth...
JWs believe that whatever they are *currently* taught is definitely true. Things that 'were' true aren't necessarily true anymore, though they were previously taught as absolutely and unqualifiedly true before. And things that were once 'true', and then *weren't* 'true' anymore could become 'true' again at the turn of a Watchtower page, at which point the new 'truth' was always 'true', even employing historical revisionism to back up claims of what was 'always' true. E.g. predicting 1914 as the end of the 'Gentile Times' rather than the beginning of Armageddon.
I know it is the truth...
JWs believe there is an absolute religious truth. Unlike plain statements of fact such as 2 + 2 = 4, which is true unless the plain definitions of 'two', 'plus', 'equals', and 'four' are fundamentally altered, statements of belief based on scriptures that can be interpreted in various ways, often from accounts that are vague, spurious, or patently absurd, are clearly not absolute truth.
I know it is the truth...
The JW term 'truth' as used in expressions such as 'I know it is the truth' means more than the basic sense of the word. It is employed as a proper noun, Truth™, to represent whatever happens to be 'truth' at the time, whether the individual actually knows all the particular 'truths' or not. It is used to represent not only their body of doctrines, but also their community itself. -
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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.
by waton infor what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
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Jeffro
I already explained why that fact invalidated your question. But thanks for quoting part of my sentence out of context.
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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.
by waton infor what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
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Jeffro
Anony Mous:
The date of 607 by the WTBTS is only reached by divining/Kabbalah from 1914 (the tail wagging the dog), and then adapting the rest of the timeline to agree with the preconceived notion that 1914 was the beginning of time.
Russell adopted his chronology from Millerism and made predictions about 1914 many years before that year, though none of what he predicted corresponds to what actually happened in that year. His selection of 606 BCE was based on counting 70 years from 536 BCE when he believed the Jews arrived in Judea. (Various Adventist groups selected dozens of years as the end point of the invented 2,520 years, and Russell wasn’t even the first to guess 1914.) They changed it to 607 BCE in 1943. They don’t say anything at all about 1914 being the ‘beginning of time’.