do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
Fisherman:
For example, a couple of years ago a new method of interpreting prophecy was explained
No, it wasn’t a ‘new method of Bible study’ as if they made some brilliant discovery. They just reduced their reliance on the practice introduced by Rutherford (borrowed from other Protestant groups) of ‘types and antitypes’.
JW are not pretending or putting on a show, they are convinced.
Whether they’re convinced or not, they’re still wrong.
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
You wouldn’t need to. They have the burden of proof. There is no evidence that the ‘faithful slave’ story is anything but a parable.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
🤦♂️
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
Kosenen:
How else would the scripture speak about captains and sailors looking at its destruction from a distance?
🙄 Compare Matthew 4:8.
Descriptions in Revelation are explicitly metaphorical but you insist a literal interpretation. But when a story in Matthew is presented as literal, it is freely accepted as metaphor (or a ‘vision’). 🤦♂️ Unless you’re a flat earther as well. 😂
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
Kosenen:
why don't you just look at the arguments I present on my website.
Because you’re making up nonsense that you imagine makes Revelation relevant to the present era.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
Fisherman:
It is not Rome because the great tribulation and Armageddon did not happen and neither did Rome suffer the same fate as BTG.
This kind of irrational thinking is why religions survive. ‘Believers’ aren’t really interested in the actual intent of the Bible authors. They are interested in what keeps the myth ‘relevant’. The obvious intended meaning failed (e.g. Rome wasn’t destroyed as expected)? Fine, just replace it with an unverifiable assertion. A Bible ‘prophecy’ explicitly failed (e. g. Tyre will never be rebuilt or found)? Fine, just ignore the inconvenient verses altogether. It’s really very tedious.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
🤦♂️
If that is the case, end of discussion.
It would be if the participants were rational.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
No, that’s called begging the question. The subject of this thread is the meaning of ‘Babylon the Great’ in Revelation. It’s Rome, irrespective of whether you think the Bible is magical.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
Fisherman:
Rome did not suffer the fate of BTH therefore not Rome.
The fact that a superstitious belief did not eventuate is not evidence that it 'really' means 'something that will still happen in the future'. They were just wrong, and that's all.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
Fisherman:
There are only 2 candidates described in the Bible fitting the bill: secular and religious.
Entirely wrong. There is actually exactly one meaning for the ‘city that has a kingdom over other kings’ that was relevant to first century Christians. Rome. Their superstitions were wrong, and people like you, Kosenen and Watch Tower have been making up excuses ever since.
