BruceX:
When was the last time a WT study article discussed 1914 in all the details with all the scriptures about 70 years? I can't find it.
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Posts by Jeffro
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349Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jeffro
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jeffro
‘scholar’:
The Bible does describe the 70 years as a period of Exile
Must be a verse I missed 😂. Provide a citation and quote for this elusive verse that mentions 70 years of exile. 😂
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jeffro
‘scholar’:
The use of the number '70' in Jewish literature was usually used in reference to the Jewish Exile as shown by the immediate context of chapter 7 note particularly verse 7.
Entirely wrong, as usual. The Bible never mentions 70 years of exile. It does, on the other hand, say that ‘serving Babylon’ was the way to avoid exile (Jeremiah 27:8-11). (Funny that the Watch Tower Society barely ever even mentions verse 11 let alone quote it.) Have you read the Bible? I have to wonder sometimes. 😂
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jeffro
‘scholar’:
Being 'near' is not good enough for it raises ambiguity. Zechariah does not say that the 70 years of fasting is reached in Darius' 4th year but only that he received the vision in that year referring to 70 years in the past. That is your problem.
No problem for me whatsoever. The author could have chosen the year the temple was actually completed and said 73 years, but this would lack the favoured use of the number 70 in Jewish literature. Your claim that Zechariah only ‘received a vision’ in the 4th year is entirely contrary to the passage.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jeffro
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jeffro
‘scholar’:
If it was in the 4th year- 518 BCE then why was avision received two years earlier.
Pointless misdirection indicating you don’t understand this type of literature. The author wasn’t writing a diary as it happened. It was all written later. The ‘vision’ is a narrative device framing the purpose of the period - that had not yet ended in early 519BCE - as ‘denunciation’. Chapter 7 is quite clear about the timing of when 70 years of fasting were reached.
the temple was completed in 515 BCE
I correctly state on that page that it was near rather than in the year the temple was completed. I also clearly state, as does Zechariah, that 70 years of fasting is reached in Darius’ 4th year. None of this is particularly difficult. I suppose I could simply omit the part about the temple as it seems to confuse some of the dimmer readers.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jeffro
It is entirely mundane that two or more people saying something correct will say similar things.
Maybe ‘scholar’ can only get correct answers by copying. 😂 As far as neo-Babylonian chronology is concerned, he’s yet to provide any. He should stop copying from the dumb WTS kid next to him.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jeffro
‘scholar’:
It is much the same with Jonsson's explanation which you have either directly or indirectly copied.
Luckily for you this continued libel is trivial. 😂
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman inif anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.
estephan.
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Jeffro
peacefulpete:
IMO the point in discussion is whether a precise start and end date are required.
Sure. But the plain reading of the texts are compatible with specific periods in a manner that is entirely mundane. punkofnice said that he regards the whole Bible as ‘fairy tales’ (a fallacy of composition). In reality, the Bible includes some history (albeit biased and placed in a theological context) in addition to other parts that are not historical.
For example, Babylon is known to have been conquered in 539 BCE. It is also known that Assyria disappears from history after it was conquered by Babylon at Harran in 609 BCE. That is an entirely reasonable reckoning of ‘Babylon’s 70 years’. And we know these texts were heavily edited after the original writing, so it is unremarkable that this could be worked into Jeremiah’s text at the close of the exile.
Similarly, the direct reading of the period in Zechariah specifically refers to 70 years of fasts by the time of Darius’ 4th year, which is precisely consistent with those fasts beginning in 587BCE.
No abstruse symbolism, no changing or ignoring parts of the text to make up what the author ‘really’ meant, no appeals to magical thinking.
But even if they are just intended as symbolic or as approximations (that just happen to match up with known events), it still isn’t a period of exile, and JWs are still entirely wrong. Including all of their claims about the FDS which are contingent on 607 being correct.