Posts by Jeffro

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

Nope, definitely no ‘obvious second fulfilment’. But perhaps ‘scholar’ can quote specific parts and show how it is so evident.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

Only in the addled mind of a JW apologist can a region be ‘desolate and uninhabited’ while having millions of people living there. 🤦‍♂️ Still waiting for Tyre to be completely destroyed and not even found too. 😂

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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology

by Sea Breeze in

here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.

why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?

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Jeffro

Revelation 20:

JWs say people are resurrected during the 1000 years but the Bible says people are resurrected only before or after the 1000 years.

JWs say the nations are destroyed at Armageddon, but the Bible says Satan is locked away so he can’t mislead the nations during the 1000 years.

JWs say the 144,000 rule during the 1000 years but it is actually the great crowd that the Bible identifies as ruling for 1000 years (whereas the 144,000 rule forever).

JWs say scrolls are opened during the 1000 years but the Bible says the scrolls are opened after the 1000 years ended.

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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology

by Sea Breeze in

here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.

why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?

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Jeffro

There are many scriptures that are not compatible with JW beliefs, across many topics.

Just a couple regarding holy spirit: Despite Jehovah’s Witnesses’ insistence that the “holy spirit” is ‘God’s power in action’, Acts 19:2–3 says some disciples of John the Baptist were entirely unaware of the existence of the “holy spirit”, and 2 Corinthians 6:6–7 indicates that “holy spirit” is something distinct from “God’s power”.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

It really must sting apologists when they have to water down Jeremiah 51:62 to ‘really’ mean, ‘it’s still uninhabited because the millions of people who live there call it a different name’ (though Babylon province still has the same name). 😂

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Stern's description of Judah as being unsettled is consistent with a description of the land as desolation even to the smallest degree even without an inhabitant.

What an absolute liar! 🤦‍♂️ Stern directly states that parts of Judea remained inhabited.

I’ve embarrassed you enough for now. You can go away.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

The simple fact is that the land of Chaldea or Shinar remains uninhabited even today fulfilling Bible prophecy.

It really can’t be stressed enough how outlandishly wrong that statement is. Literally millions of people live in the area that was known as Chaldea.

Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

At last, the scholar has achieved a breakthrough- a recognition of the fact of the Jewish Exile.

Truly delusional (well, either that or blatantly dishonest). No one ever said there ‘was no exile’. You really should stop trotting out that tired misrepresentation all the time. There was no ‘70-year exile’.

No need for dogma but a simple recognition of a historical reality as Jer. 29:10 clearly points to their future release from captivity at the official end of the 70 years marked by their reoccupation of the Land right down to the very month.

Entirely wrong of course. Jeremiah’s definition of Babylon’s 70 years explicitly ends with the conquest of Babylon, not an end of exile, and Jeremiah also directly states that exile was a punishment for refusing to serve Babylon during Babylon’s 70 years. But you can keep lying to yourself. See also ‘sunk cost fallacy’.

Nope for 538 BCE was physically impossible unless they took flight by QANTAS or Rail.

If you think a period of 6 months for a 4-month journey is fast, it does explain a lot about your gullibility.

You seem to be plagued by superstition!! How can one part of the prophecy be interpreted literally and the remainder be viewed as hyperbole?

Hyperbole is a frequent element of the genre. Also, the texts were edited after their initial writing, well into the Persian period. No superstition required. But even taken at face value, the context of Jeremiah 29 is several years before Jerusalem’s destruction but after the exile had begun, so it obviously didn’t refer to 70 years starting from an unspecified future event.

The simple fact is that the land of Chaldea or Shinar remains uninhabited even today fulfilling Bible prophecy.

😂🤦‍♂️ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillah. But that’s by no means the only part that’s still inhabited of course.

That is simply opinion. If the 70 years were marked by a distinct event that can be dated such as the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE then common sense would dictate that the 70 years would have not some 'fuzzy' beginning but a distinct event in terms of history and chronology

Actually it’s basic arithmetic. 🤦‍♂️ History finds a specific significant event in 609BCE right where it’s expected.

My comment of COJ is relevant because he has dealt with is subject and was your mentor or influencer.

Notice how the apologist contradicts himself by first fallaciously claiming I said something not supported by Jonsson (as if that would matter), and then asserting that Jonsson is my mentor. 🤦‍♂️

Well if the towns were not resettled then that could well mean that the cities or towns were unoccupied for one would not expect an outsider such as a modern-day archaeologist to use the same language or terms as the prophet Jeremiah.

Wow. 🤦‍♂️ Maybe he needs a venn diagram. The towns that were destroyed remained unsettled until the Persian period. Other settlements were not destroyed and remained inhabited.

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Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

by slimboyfat in

for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

two deportations are subsumed as one Jewish or Babylonian Exile as treated by most historians.

Indeed. 😂 The Jewish exile is broadly recognised as beginning in early 597BCE when most of Jerusalem’s population were deported to Babylon, though there were other deportation in 587BCE (when the city was also destroyed) and in 582BCE. See also Ezekiel 40:1.

Jer. 29:10 simply addresses the fact of their imminent release from Babylon having been exiled for 70 years thus in anticipation of their Return- release from Exile.

I understand that you need to cling to this dogma despite the fact that it would be plainly stupid to turn attention to their return if they had by then already returned. Sad really.

and with the Return from Exile of the Jews in 537 BCE.

538BCE. Though many Jews remained in Babylon.

Jeremiah described the 'judgement' in terms of the king, city and land of Chaldea and this did not happen synchronistically in 539BCE

The ‘judgement’ (a superstitious interpretation of Persia’s conquest of Babylon) of the king and city was very definitely in 539BCE. The hyperbole about the whole land of Chaldea was never fulfilled of course, and the region is still quite inhabited.

Further, if it argued that the 70 years ended in 539 BCE with the Fall of Babylon then that would mean that the beginning was in 609 BCE wherein nothing of consequence marked that year

609BCE is the year in which Babylon conquered the last vestige of the Assyrian empire at Harran, definitively marking Babylon as the new world power. But JWs conveniently forget about the ‘march of the world powers’ at this juncture. 🤣 Your fallacious argument from authority and ad hominem about Jonsson is entirely irrelevant.

Stern's description of the state of the cities in unoccupied Judah matches perfectly Jeremeiah's prophecy. and agrees perfectly with our interpretation of the 70 years of desolation.

So ‘scholar’ chooses to continue to lie. Stern doesn’t say Judah was unoccupied at all, he said that the towns that were destroyed weren’t resettled until the Persian period. Stern adds that small settlements remained throughout Judea during the neo-Babylonian period, and he further adds that the area of Benjamin wasn’t destroyed.