Posts by Jeffro

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

Fisherman:

To the Jew and to the Psalmist it was axiomatic that God exists. There is no accountability as if there is no Jehovah. The poetic language of the Bible such as: “They have shut their eyes” and “now it has been secretly hidden from their eyes. Also, the Bible is written for believers. The language is shop talk and poetic language and literary device. The Bible claims to be the word of God and written not not for the unbelievers —but same as any deposition or testimony or document or evidence, it can be examined by anybody. Conclude what you like and go away if you conclude it is fake. But when interpreting the Bible prophecy or claims it is from the position that it is inspired. When interpreting the Bible though for example when a verse relates to when the Bible says that the earth was flooded it is from the position that the flood was true whether or not the truth of the flood is challenged. If the Bible is approached from the position that the Bible is a fake, end of discussion.

This long-winded drivel is confirmation bias, asserting that only people who believe everything in the Bible can assess its claims. Asserting that everything in the Bible is true is also a fallacy of composition.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’, thanks for continuing to demonstrate your fallacious approach to just about everything. It certainly helps readers to assess who is right.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Clearly, you have a limited understanding of the meaning of 'atheism' being unable to answer such a basic question.

Fallacy: straw man attack. I don’t care to engage in your tedious interrogation, which is not an indication of my understanding of the term.

The evidence of God and my preferred deity -Jehovah God is right in front of you just open your eyes and observe the natural world for as a wise man said in Ps. 14:1 "The foolish one says in his heart; 'There is no Jehovah'".Are you a foolish one?

Fallacy: straw man attack, appeal to emotion, naturalistic fallacy, confirmation bias, circular reasoning.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Further, regarding your atheism are you a 'theoretical atheist' or a 'practical atheist'?

I’m well aware that people like to come up with all types of tedious hair splitting definitions for these things, but it is a distraction from the fact that there is no evidence for your preferred deity.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

Jorden:

Say what you will, I have told you what will happen.

Good grief. 🤦‍♂️ But as already stated, even if such a war took place it wouldn’t be evidence of God. And the claim that something after that would be evidence of God is just begging the question anyway.

WW3/collapse of this system>>>brings about empowering the UN>>>42-months later Jesus will come.

You’re about 1,957 years too late for the start of the 42 months. Jesus didn’t show up when the period ended.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Prove it. How can something stated decades later such as the time of writing Revelation as prophecy be now considered to be historical in 66-70 CE?

It’s not my problem that you don’t understand the genre of Revelation. 🤦‍♂️ (So much for JWs being such great Bible teachers. 😂) Jesus was expected to return within a generation of his death, after the great tribulation. He didn’t. They were wrong.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

Jorden:

You will see at the end of the 42-months, and you will believe then.

The 42 months already happened in 66-70CE. Christian expectations for what would follow were simply wrong, and they’ve been making up alternatives ever since.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

The simple fact is that all of the universal flood stories are similar or identical to the world wide not local Flood of Noah.

🤦‍♂️ Stories written by people who survive floods contain details about people surviving floods. Amazing. The claim that they are “identical” Is simply a lie though.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

‘scholar’:

Equally, the said scholar can apply the same line of reasoning to all of your propositions including your claims about Chronology, VAT 4956, Neb's regnal years in the Chronicles etc. as you have no firm position with the exception of your atheism which only leads to scepticism. For sceptics, there is no proof for any proposition.

Yeah, direct analysis of evidence is just like words in a story attributed to someone decades after their death. 🤦‍♂️ You don’t need to keep demonstrating the extent of your delusion. It’s already obvious. And it sounds like you don’t understand what atheism is too.

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Scholar and Fisherman

by Jorden in

scholar and fisherman, i started this thread because i didn't want to highjack the one in regard to 588/568.. i just wanted to ask if you were both current active jw's that believe the jw's beliefs?.

do y'all believe the gb are the f&ds?

if the answers are no, then why do y'all defend so passionately the date 607?

Jeffro

Jorden:

For those that do not believe now, I will tell you that when WW3 breaks out and this current system collapses and as a result the UN is given authority for 42-months, many will certainly start to believe at that time.

Fallacy: appeal to fear, begging the question, non sequitur.

Even if such a war were to break out, it would not be evidence of God, or that it happened specifically because of ‘prophecies’, though it is plausible that people in positions of authority could deliberately try to influence events to ‘fulfil’ it.