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  VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

  by jwposter in

  1. watchtower
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  in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

  i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

  i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

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  Jeffro

  Indeed. Note that jwposter conveniently ignored my post on the first page of this thread about the solstice and planetary observations that conflict with his novel hypothesis.
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  VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

  by jwposter in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

  i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

  i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

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  Jeffro

  jwposter:

  Calling me superstitious is just an Ad Hominem attack.

  That would only be the case if my assessment of your claims were based on the fact that you are superstitious. I have specifically demonstrated that your views are incorrect based on your incorrect assessment of the sources.
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  VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

  by jwposter in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

  i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

  i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

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  Jeffro

  jwposter:

  Based on what Scholar said

  That’s never a good start

  am I to assume that Jeffro is the one that owns the vat4956 site?

  Obviously not. And why would I say my own site is trash? What is wrong with you?

  At this point I have to conclude either that you’re a troll or otherwise not competent to discuss these topics.
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  VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

  by jwposter in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

  i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

  i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

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  Jeffro

  jwposter:

  You see the omitted is for the eclipse occurring 6 months later. But not for the first one (May 14th). That first occurrence IS observed otherwise it would have said omitted for that one also. Obviously there is 2 eclipses since they occur 6 lunar synodic cycles apart. It is that 2nd one that is omitted and not visible.

  Entirely wrong. There were only two eclipses in 603 BCE (Nebuchadnezzar’s 2nd year), and LBAT1420 references both of them. The ‘omitted’ eclipse in question is mentioned before the reference to the insertion of an intercalary month after month VI, and necessarily refers to the eclipse in May. The 2nd eclipse in that year was explicitly observed.

  (There are some Saros cycles not mentioned at all in LBAT1420, but they are cycles for which none of the eclipses were visible from Babylon, as distinct from eclipses indicated as ‘omitted’ for Saros cycles they knew about.)

  You’re not good at this. Just go away.
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  VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

  by jwposter in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

  i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

  i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

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  Jeffro

  Good grief, now ‘scholar’ is here. Maybe you two can just chat amongst yourselves about your competing superstitions. 🤷‍♂️

  jwposter:

  I looked at that site already Jeffro - previous to your mention of it.

  I didn’t mention any site. And the site ‘scholar’ referenced is trash.

  I just care about the Truth and want to make sure where I can that I take part in shining it ii n darkness.

  By ‘Truth’ (capitalised), you actually mean your own religious superstitions. You’ve provided ample evidence that you don’t care about actual truth.

  Just go away.
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  Old Greek Daniel's Son of Man

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
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  again this is large topic, some of which has been discussed elsewhere on this site.

  the basic question i want to discuss is the identification of the 'someone like a son of man" in daniel 7. as we all know christians understood the figure to be the messiah (christ), so the question posed is did the author intend it to be a singular personage or a collective symbol of the holy of israel as jews typically read it?

  or how about the unexpected idea that the "someone like a son of man" was the very same character as the "ancient of days" in another role?.

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  Jeffro

  The date was moved up to 164, to coincide with new data on the death of Antiochus as no battle in 165 can be confirmed.

  Antiochus certainly didn’t ‘just give it back’ after he was dead, and he died in (what is now part of) Iran. The timing of the rededication of the temple is consistent with 165 BCE, though the actual events are certainly in question. Whether the battle of Emmaus actually happened as described (in 165 BCE), it was (purportedly) led by Lysias, while Antiochus was going to Ecbatana, so there isn’t a need to move the event based on the death of Antiochus (who wasn’t at Jerusalem in or around December of either year).

  I merely pointed to the later article in MyJewishLearning that uses the new dates to save time.

  My conclusions are not based on the citation from MyJewishLearning. I simply cited that site to demonstrate that there is variation in what sources say. But it is not at all new for sources to vacillate between 165 BCE and 164 BCE for the rededication of the temple.
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  VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

  by jwposter in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

  i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

  i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

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  Jeffro

  Just go away.
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  Old Greek Daniel's Son of Man

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  again this is large topic, some of which has been discussed elsewhere on this site.

  the basic question i want to discuss is the identification of the 'someone like a son of man" in daniel 7. as we all know christians understood the figure to be the messiah (christ), so the question posed is did the author intend it to be a singular personage or a collective symbol of the holy of israel as jews typically read it?

  or how about the unexpected idea that the "someone like a son of man" was the very same character as the "ancient of days" in another role?.

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  Jeffro

  What You Need to Know About the Hanukkah Story, MyJewishLearning.com:

  In three years, the Maccabees cleared the way back to the Temple Mount, which they reclaimed. They cleaned the Temple and dismantled the defiled altar and constructed a new one in its place. Three years to the day after Antiochus’ mad rampage (Kislev 25, 165 BCE), the Maccabees held a dedication (hanukkah) of the Temple with proper sacrifice, rekindling of the golden menorah, and eight days of celebration and praise to God. [Proper] Jewish worship had been reestablished.
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  Old Greek Daniel's Son of Man

  by peacefulpete in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  again this is large topic, some of which has been discussed elsewhere on this site.

  the basic question i want to discuss is the identification of the 'someone like a son of man" in daniel 7. as we all know christians understood the figure to be the messiah (christ), so the question posed is did the author intend it to be a singular personage or a collective symbol of the holy of israel as jews typically read it?

  or how about the unexpected idea that the "someone like a son of man" was the very same character as the "ancient of days" in another role?.

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  Jeffro

  Sources vary between 164 BCE or 165 BCE but 165 BCE is the correct year for the rededication of the temple in the December prior to Antiochus’ death in the 149th year of the Seleucid empire, which began in 312 BCE.
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  VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

  by jwposter in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

  i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

  i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

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  Jeffro

  Also, there is Tablet LBAT1420 which contains eclipses during the reign which also are aligned from 512 BC as the 37th year.

  Not going to go into too much detail with this because this guy is wrong all over the place, but the following eclipses cannot be reconciled with his claim that LBAT1420 matches his alternative chronology:

  • -0543 Mar 13 Not a partial eclipse as described in tablet
    
  • -0543 Sep 05 Too early to fall in correct month
    
  • -0542 Aug 26 Too early to fall in correct month
  • -0521 Jan 10 Too early to fall in correct month
  • -0521 Jul 06 Too early to fall in correct month
  • -0521 Dec 30 Too early to fall in correct month
  • -0519 Nov 08 Not a total eclipse as described in tablet

  Note years are astronomical, e.g. -543 is 544 BCE, etc.