Posts by Jeffro

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

Leviticus 25:8: “‘You will count off seven sabbath years, seven times seven years, and the days of the seven sabbath years will amount to 49 years.

Leviticus 26:28, 34–35: I will intensify my opposition to you, and I myself will have to chastise you seven times for your sins. … 34 “‘At that time the land will pay off its sabbaths all the days it lies desolate, while you are in the land of your enemies. At that time the land will rest, as it must repay its sabbaths. 35 All the days it lies desolate it will rest, because it did not rest during your sabbaths when you were dwelling on it.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

The doofus doesn’t understand cogencies or modern understanding beyond the 18th century regarding the chronology of the divided kingdom. Not my problem.

You were at one point supporting your position with 390 years of the chronology of House of Judah with somehow an overlapping 70 years of captivity and then you wanted to support your position using a Septuagint shorter rendering of the Chronology.

No, you’re a liar. The timeline notes both periods for both the MSS and Septuagint renderings of Ezekiel chapter 4, and has done for several years.

1Es 1:58

Not sure why doofus feels the need to quote 1 Esdras rather than the equivalent passage from 2 Chronicles. In either case, it’s a misreading as Babylon’s 70 years is a separate period to the period of paying off sabbaths, which Leviticus (quoted in 1 Esdras and 2 Chronicles) specifically indicates to be 49 years. Jeremiah (‘Jeremy’ in doofus’ chosen translation) never mentioned ‘paying off sabbaths’, which is a separate period to what Jeremiah said about Babylon’s 70 years. See also here.

You’ve been wrong at absolutely every juncture for this entire thread and you have the gall to say you’ve ‘schooled’ me. Just go away with your stupid superstitious nonsense.

Come back when your rewrite of antiquity is peer reviewed.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

See now Jeffro is trying to change his timeline

Blatant lie. I haven’t changed the timeline, and haven’t needed to. I instead referred you to existing documents, which account for the 390 years, and also the period in the Septuagint version.

The 70 years of captivity were a year for each year that the land didn't lay fallow.

They really weren’t. The land was fallow for 49 years as (retroactively) prescribed in Leviticus (though in reality parts of Judea remained populated throughout the entire period), from the destruction of Jerusalem in 587 BCE until the return in 538 BCE. See also Leviticus 25:8; 26:28, 32-35.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

Jeffro it doesn't matter that Gill died in 1771. That is a fallacy you are resorting to. Are we supposed to only listen to those people alive today.

It’s not a matter of being alive. The information is thoroughly outdated, not to mention theologically biased.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

Good grief. Already covered here and here. Your interpretation of Jeremiah 29:10 is nonsensical. Like the JW position, your interpretation of Jeremiah 29:10-14 requires that people who were already in exile were told about a period of 70 years that hadn’t started yet, and that attention was given to the Jews’ return only after they were already there, which is clearly absurd

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

It’s also worth pointing out that the Septuagint version of Ezekiel doesn’t mention 390 days. Instead, it refers to a total duration of 190 days in verses 5 and 9, comprising separate periods of 150 days for Israel (verse 4) and 40 days for Judah (verse 6). The ‘150 days for Israel’ in the Septuagint likely refers to the period from the exile of Israelites by Tiglath-Pileser III in 732 BCE until the exile in 582 BCE alluded to at Jeremiah 52:30.

The reference to ‘390 days’ was most likely introduced to the original text because there was never a notable return from Assyrian exile of the northern kingdom so it was edited to instead focus on the descendants of Israelites who avoided Assyrian exile and fled to Judah in the 8th century BCE, whose descendants were later exiled to Babylon with the Jews.

Ezekiel 37:16 identifies those Israelites among the people of Judah at the time of the exile, distinguishing between ‘Judah and the people of Israel who are with him’ from ‘Joseph and the house of Israel who are with him’.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

Deferring to your preferred Protestant commentary (Gill died in 1771 and his chronology is not the consensus of scholars at all) is quite irrelevant, especially when it erroneously misconstrues the days for ‘Israel’s guilt’ with reigns of the house of Judah. (This is also cherry picking because Gill does not support jwposter’s bizarre revision of the entire neo-Babylonian period.)

Additionally, the Bible never once mentions ‘70 years of exile’, and it instead explicitly identifies Babylon’s 70 years as a period that ends when Babylon is called to account, not the subsequent return from exile.

jwposter:

Ezekiel's "alluding" to 390 years

The use of quotes around ‘alluding’ suggests he thinks he has a point. Back in reality, Ezekiel chapter 4 only actually states a period of “390 days”, which indeed alludes to a period of 390 years.

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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave? The recent changes and the Governing Body's 10 year plan

by redsetter2 in

i am sure we were all shocked at the governing body update #2 with the unusual and impulsive changes set forth.. i am an insider at whq, and when i was on reddit and in communication with avoidjw i explained to the best of my ability that the approach on disfellowshipping was going to change based on the new light at the 2023 agm, that the jubilee rumor was false, and there were going to be changes on how jws approached disfellowshipping in response to the norway situation if it didn't turn out in watchtower's favor.

the decision came because of a legal blow to watchtower, not because "holy spirit" wad directing a faithful slave, who is going to become the "evil slave", more explanation on this soon.. everything i stated came true.

i left reddit exjw community due to the immature and mentally unstable nature there, and yet as has been the case my words came true.

Jeffro

Rattigan350:

I don't care about how to treat DFd ones because that was Paul's instructions to the Corinthians and I don't follow what Paul said.

So I ask, why do you all care when I don't?

Why do you imagine that some random person who doesn’t accept all JW teachings (or even a substantial amount of Christian teaching) anyway should be the benchmark for caring about things related to JWs?

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

🤦‍♂️ I thought you wouldn’t be “back here for awhile”. I knew it was wishful thinking.

My assessment of the chronology has no such errors. And someone who gets definitions of ‘in front’ and ‘behind’ wrong probably shouldn’t be giving advice on timelines.

jwposter:

Now we know that the House of Judah reigned for 390 years until its destruction by Nebuchadnezzar in his 19th year as King of Babylon.

No, we don’t ‘know’ that at all. ‘390 years’ is only alluded to in Ezekiel in reference to ‘the sin of the house of Israel’, explicitly distinguished from ‘40 days for the house of Judah’. It has absolutely no bearing on reigns of Judah up until Jerusalem’s destruction. In the timeline I provided, the 390 years very neatly begins with the division of the kingdom in 929 BCE and ends with the capture of Babylon in 539 BCE. That action appropriately marks the end of ‘Israel’s guilt’ and coincides with the end of Babylons 70 years, after which they would repent, and then attention would be given to their return (Jeremiah 29:10-14).

Aside from that significant error in your claims, your little ‘back of an envelope’ calculations don’t trump what is plainly indicated in the timeline I provided. Your errors partly stem from your failure to recognise Tishri dating for kings of Judah and the previously unified kingdom, and partly because of your obviously false assertion about the application of the ‘390 years’.

Just go away.

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God, one person, or three?

by slimboyfat in

the trinity doctrine says god is three persons in one being.. yet the bible says god is one.. gal 3.20 a mediator, however, implies more than one party; but god is one.

niv.

gal 3.20 now a mediator is not for just one person, but god is one.

Jeffro

Acts 19:2

Maybe the JW study Bible offers some brilliant pearls of wisdom about this ‘seeming discrepancy’ that there were disciples of John the Baptist who had supposedly never heard that ‘God’s active force’ was a thing… just kidding, they completely ignore the verse altogether.