Posts by Jeffro

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

Good grief, now he's calling me 'she' as well.

It also doesnt help that Jeffro insists on cutting and pasting things out of context.

I posted your entire comment from 2 March 2024. In what context was it a nice thing to say? Here's the link to check for full context: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/users/5070517946548224/KalebOutWest/posts?nav=next&sort=posted&posted=20240317174348#4725751702618112

Earlier that day, you said:

The dates do not fluctuate. New information has changed since that older article on MyJewishLearning you searched for to back up your insufferable need to correct everyone on this forum and belie your lack of education.

Here's the link for that statement for full context: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4915204052221952/old-greek-daniels-son-man?page=4#6244213298036736

The dates (for the period between the banning of Jewish worship by Antiochus IV and the rededication of the temple) do in fact fluctuate among various scholars, and I posted a link to an article demonstrating that to be so. I did angrily include the words 'smarmy so-and-so' in the subsequent response - which was not classy - but it was only after your condescension. Here's the link: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4915204052221952/old-greek-daniels-son-man?page=4#5148759005069312

Shall we continue?

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

KalebOutWest:

You also several times called me a know-it-all.

Once, after you made extremely condescending comments. Though I never used that exact term. And it was only in response to this gutter trash remark, in which you first suggested I’m a know it all:

I would rather become one of Jehovah's Witnesses once again.
Talk to Jeffro. He apparently claims to be far more versed on any subject than me. This is what you will be left with.
And if it makes you feel better, Jeffro: I am completely wrong. I know nothing. I never have. You are 100% right about everything. Apologies. I am sorry to have ever doubted you.

In each instance of what you describe as ‘bullying’, I reacted to your initial (mis)behaviour.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

KalebOutWest:

You treat me like garbage, saying I have tantrums, claiming I act like a know it all almost every time you get a chance. If you want I can cut and paste each time you did that to me. So you want to talk about frustrating?!

There have been a total of two episodes where I’ve indicated you’ve thrown tantrums. In the first case, you incorrectly said I was wrong about sources varying about the period from 168-165 BCE or 167-164 BCE. In the second case, you (prima facie if not intentionally) described my efforts at refuting a JW doctrine as a waste of time. So don’t overstate matters, and don’t pretend I’m the bad guy for not just taking crap.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

KalebOutWest:

I have complimented you and applauded you.

Yes, you have complimented my refutation of jwposter’s fringe Adventist lunar sabbath nonsense. And that is appreciated. But that refutation is quite independent of my refutation of the Watch Tower Society’s 1914 doctrine. Maybe you genuinely don’t understand how your comments came across. Sorry for upsetting you.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

KalebOutWest:

Or is it impossible?

Why is it so difficult for you to say something like, “yes, I can see how it could have come across that way. Sorry if it seemed that way.” Why all this doubling down and evasion of what I actually said? It doesn’t actually matter, it’s just frustrating when people don’t engage with actual content.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

What Jeffro is trying to say is make sure you make it clear that your targeting jwposter with any criticism you have.

That’s not what I said. You do understand, I hope, that your view isn’t Watchtower’s view. Sad to say, your view is considerably more wrong than the JW view.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

KalebOutWest:

I was criticizing the Watchtower, not you, for it changing it's doctrines. That makes claiming VAT 4965 in favor of their calculations useless. You were not doing that.

Fine, but when you said:

So all this arguing over Vat 4956 is useless. … But continue to waste your time.

In a thread between jwposter (a person who promotes an entirely separate fringe chronology) and myself (someone who usually refutes the JW doctrine), can you see how that comes across as saying my efforts are futile rather than directing that criticism at either Watchtower or jwposter?

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

KalebOutWest was saying they liked your work and agrees with you.

And he also said discussing a particular JW doctrine is a waste of time, then threw a tantrum when I pointed out that your view has nothing to do with the JW doctrine. I do welcome expert views, but I’m not so desperate for support that I’ll put up with that crap.

I'll be waiting.

Good for you. You’ll be waiting a while. KalebOutWest is better qualified to deal with that side of things anyway, and it’s not relevant to my position. I on the other hand am not bothering to wait for you to properly deal with the many problems with your views that have been raised in this thread.

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

KalebOutWest:

You are nothing to me.

Now you’re showing your true colours. It is you who is being emotional. I pointed out that you were in error, so you lash out. Why are you incapable of just admitting that you said something inconsistent? And no, I don’t mean mock humility with stuff like ‘ok, I know nothing, blah blah blah’.

I don't know your website.

I don’t expect my work to be well known, but I have linked to it several times in this thread. Sorry for assuming you were paying attention.

Just for context, your outburst was in response to these questions:

Can you explain how JWs changing their 1914 doctrine would affect jwposter’s unrelated Adventist lunar sabbath views? In the context of this thread where his view is unaffected by the JW doctrine but I have a website debunking the JW doctrine, can you not understand why it would seem you were also ridiculing my work (at least as to its usefulness independent of its quality)?

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VAT4956 - 530 BC destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

by jwposter in

in my studies, i have concluded that year 530 bc was when the destruction of jerusalem occurred and the temple destroyed.

i had determined this prior to investigation of vat4956.

i had already found that the jubilees, sabbaticals, courses of the priests, and chronology attested to this.

Jeffro

jwposter:

Obviously, this should be easy for you. Show me where you have evidence that the 24 courses of the Priests served for more than 2 times in a year. I'm referring to those Priests such as the Sadducees or the Pharisees.

Red herring. I have made no such assertion.