Most of the martyrdom stories of prominent first century Christians are Christian tradition only. And people die for their religious beliefs even now. And not just Christians. It is only evidence that they believed, not that it’s true.
Posts by Jeffro
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189What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
Vidqun:
I found it quite accurate, comparing well with the accounts in the Gospels.
🤦♂️ Hardly surprising that the later Christian forgery is consistent with the Christian ‘gospels’.
a confutation to an earlier pagan and anti-Christian work also known as the Acts of Pilate
And that makes you more confident about the later Christian forgery? Cognitive dissonance at its worst. And confirmation bias to boot.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
Vidqun:
Jeffro, not sure about your "fact" about the wrong emperor. In this version he wrote to Tiberius Caesar, which governed from 14 until 37 CE. That sounds about right.
Haha… I was waiting for that. The spurious work contains a separate letter to Caligula, who was not emperor during Pilate’s tenure. The letter to Tiberius was added later. But thanks for playing along.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
The forgery also gets the name of Pilate’s predecessor wrong. His actual predecessor was Valerius Gratus but the translation of the spurious work instead offers a misspelling of Valerius Flaccus, a poet from the late 1st century. -
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
Nope. The Gospel of Nicodemus (containing the spurious Acta Pilate) is known to be a later apocryphal Christian work. And it has Pilate writing to the wrong emperor.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
Mikejw:
Our current dating system started from a man called Jesus Christ was born 2024 years ago. That is pretty strong evidence.
Our dating system (first adopted in the 6th century) is based on a tradition around someone who according to the source material would actually have been born in 4 BCE. Nothing about that establishes any 'supernatural' claims about Jesus, including the claim that he was 'Christ'. Our current names of four days of the week are based on Norse deities but it doesn't mean they're real.
also as has been said Josephus and many other ancient historians recorded Jesus.
A very small number of non-Christian sources (not "many") from the second century mentioned Jesus (or at least mentioned Christians), but did not confirm any claim that he was supernatural.
there is no doubt about this very special man called Jesus but there is doubt about the miracles and who he claimed to be?
All of the stories about Jesus' ministry in the gospels were written decades after his death, and it is impossible to know what if anything in the 'gospels' accurately represents anything Jesus actually said or did. We can reasonably conclude from Paul's writings that during Jesus' life or shortly after his death he was considered special by a small number of followers, and they convinced Paul (who never met Jesus) that Jesus provided a redemptive 'sacrifice', but nothing else can be reliably established.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
There is no contemporary evidence for the magical Jesus as presented in the 'gospels'. Paul's writings contain very little in the way of biographical details about Jesus and no specific details about his 'ministry'. Paul's own account of his 'conversion' also lacks detail, and the more detailed and contradictory versions in Acts were conveniently written after Paul's death (but are consistent with a temporal lobe seizure). Paul's conversion from opposer to Christian is also not remarkable, and similar conversions into various denominations are also seen today. There were any number of itinerant rabbis in the first century and just as many personality cults surrounding them, and it is entirely unremarkable that stories about one or more were compiled into the stories of the Jesus motif as presented in the 'gospels' decades later.
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WTS 2024 Annual Business Meeting ...
by careful in... is just three weeks from this saturday.
the org has been tight-lipped, really, successfully secret about advance info on these in recent years,.
now that these relatively recent changes on dress and grooming, reporting fs time, judicial matters, etc.
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Jeffro
(The 'JW' in 'JW Holdings' actually stands for JungWoo.)
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WTS 2024 Annual Business Meeting ...
by careful in... is just three weeks from this saturday.
the org has been tight-lipped, really, successfully secret about advance info on these in recent years,.
now that these relatively recent changes on dress and grooming, reporting fs time, judicial matters, etc.
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Jeffro
FreeTheMasons:
Last I knew, there were also JWs in Korea. And Ireland. And Switzerland. And many other places that own pieces of the companies listed in the JW Holding group.
Jehovah's Witnesses are in countries where there are things, therefore things in countries that mention the letters 'JW' must be Jehovah's Witnesses. And it's for reals because they have an unrelated company in Ireland.
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WTS 2024 Annual Business Meeting ...
by careful in... is just three weeks from this saturday.
the org has been tight-lipped, really, successfully secret about advance info on these in recent years,.
now that these relatively recent changes on dress and grooming, reporting fs time, judicial matters, etc.
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Jeffro
FreeTheMasons:
Wonder if they'll talk about their business
JW Holdings is a Korean based health care company not related to Jehovah’s Witnesses.