So can you please provide independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible claims he did?There isn’t any. This is why they defer to unfounded claims of ‘prophecy’, obvious forgeries (e.g. ‘letter from Pilate’), and tedious traditions about religious ‘relics’.
Posts by Jeffro
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189What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
And no, it's not magical, it's called divine prophecy.
That’s just rhetorical nonsense. ‘Calling it’ ‘divine prophecy’ doesn’t establish that such a thing actually exists or is possible. Retconning stories after the fact is not evidence of ‘prophecy’.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
Jesus was the Son of God on earth! The Messiah! No one else has a name so great under heaven. To reject Jesus means to reject the way to eternal life.
Yawn.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
Daniel and friends were exiled approximately 605 BCE, in the first siege of Jerusalem, during the reign of Jehoiakim.
The anonymous author of Daniel used Babylon as an allegory for the events in the 2nd century BCE to give the appearance of prophecy. And you fell for it! Hilarious.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
The Maccabean Dynasty lost their indepenance by submitting to General Pompey in 63 BCE.
Daniel was written in the 2nd century BCE. 63 BCE was in the 1st century BCE. The anonymous author of the book of Daniel wasn’t magical, doofus. Hyperbole is a common element in this genre of apocalyptic literature, and it is why these nutters still persist in alternative reinterpretations to this day. Pathetic.
Jeffro, you must be joking. Is that really what you believe? You apply above language to a Maccabean victory? Now I've heard it all.
‘My interpretation’ that the book of Daniel refers to the Maccabean period is widely accepted by scholars. You’re just further demonstrating your ignorance.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
Then I see you did touch on Nebuchadnezzar as the golden head of the statue. Why don't you continue and explain to us the relevance of the different metal layers of the statue? The same goes for the four beasts of Dan. 7. You'll see in connection with these your Maccabean dating falls seriously short.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
🤦♂️ the same tired apologetics. Not responding to all that guff from overnight. Notice how he not only doubled down on the Daniel interpretation but also simply ignored the fact about who Daniel said would be ‘cut off at the half of the week’. Similarly the apologist claims Daniel 9 doesn’t fit because Antiochus IV ‘didn’t destroy Jerusalem’, but Daniel 9:27 says the abomination (desecration) would be “set up” “at the temple” and doesn’t even claim that Jerusalem would be destroyed. Always recognise these pathetic bait-and-switch attempts.. And yes, priests were anointed (Exodus 29:7; Leviticus 8:12; Psalm 133:2; Hebrews 5:4 etc).
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
The above is a firm favorite of mine. Note, it describes the fate of Jerusalem. No matter whether you appoint an early or late date to the authorship of Daniel, it happened just like that. It also discusses "an anointed one," the Messiah, to be cut off with nothing for himself. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Then it discusses the destruction of the city: "And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator" (Dan. 9:27 ESV).
This coincides with the Roman invasion and the destruction of the city and temple, whereas the Roman Empire will receive its just desserts in due course. If you work on the chronology of seventy sevens since the reconstruction of Jerusalem, you come up with (70 x 7) = 490 years, the time Jesus are supposed to enter Jerusalem. What a coincidence!Entirely wrong from start to finish. The book of Daniel (2nd century BCE) refers to events up to and during the reign of Antiochus IV Epihanes. This is very well understood by scholars. The motif was reused in the gospels to refer to different events that the Romans were involved in, but Daniel has nothing to do with the first century or with anything happening now. There were seven ‘weeks’ from 587 BCE to 539 BCE for the destruction of Jerusalem by Babylon, and there were a separate 62 ‘weeks’ from 605 BCE (the start of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, the gold head of the statue) until 171 BCE when the priest Jason was ‘cut off’ and Antiochus appointed Menelaus, but 3.5 years later (the ‘half of the week’) Antiochus desecrated the temple and banned Jewish worship (168 BCE). Then at the end of that ‘week’ (165 BCE), the temple was rededicated and Antiochus died not much later.
In the botched Christian reinterpretation, Jesus died at the ‘half of the week’, but that’s not when Daniel says the messiah is cut off, Daniel instead says it is the leader bringing destruction on Jerusalem who puts an end to sacrifice at the ‘half of the week’ (which precisely fits Antiochus’ actions). This is conveniently ignored by Christians, as is the fact that their supposed start of the period doesn’t match the reign of Artaxerxes either.
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
You’re welcome to misinterpret sufficiently vague writings as ‘prophecy’ but it contradicts your premise that you wouldn’t ‘put your life on the line for hearsay’ if it came down to it. Unless you aren’t serious about your beliefs anyway. 🤷♂️
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What evidence is there for a biblical jesus?
by Touchofgrey inis there any independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that the bible said he did?.
the four gospels were written by unknown authors many decades after the so called events, so can't be considered as eyewitness accounts.
i think that there may have been a apocalyptic preacher who was executed by the romans and the story evolved from their.
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Jeffro
Most of the martyrdom stories of prominent first century Christians are Christian tradition only. And people die for their religious beliefs even now. And not just Christians. It is only evidence that they believed, not that it’s true.