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Posts by Jeffro
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88What does the Catholic church think of JW?
by Halcon inon a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
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What does the Catholic church think of JW?
by Halcon inon a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
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Jeffro
The lady might have made it up but if you think that's more likely than the pope having a JW cousin (an entirely everyday and somewhat mundane circumstance) I think you have poor judgment.
It’s entirely more likely that a lady made up a story for attention. The source of the story is entirely based on the claims of one lady with no verification. My judgement is just fine.
Again all of which is beside the point considering you/ChatGPT originally claimed there was no media report
No, it didn’t say there was ‘no media coverage’, it said there wasn’t widely available documentation or media coverage. You just can’t parse a clause properly.
Earlier you quoted "significant coverage" whereas what I wrote was "some media interest".
No, I didn’t. You may like to learn the difference between double and single quotes. Single quotes indicate a paraphrase rather than an exact quote, as distinct from the double quotes you used when you lied about me saying “extensive coverage”.
The actual statement was “There is no widely available documentation or media coverage to verify this story.” The original story contains only unverified claims from the lady. No verification has been provided whatsoever.
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What does the Catholic church think of JW?
by Halcon inon a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
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Jeffro
As for being widely available I found it on multiple sites in seconds, as.did you apparently, the second time of looking.
Congratulations, you can use Google too. The quality of the sites you ‘found it on’ speaks volumes about the supposed veracity of the tale that some lady made up. None are reliable sources and the puff piece in the paper is just some lady’s story. The paper makes no claim of verifying any part of the story. The story isn’t available from the newspaper’s website.
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What does the Catholic church think of JW?
by Halcon inon a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
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Jeffro
You really are tedious.
There is no widely available documentation or media coverage to verify this story.
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What does the Catholic church think of JW?
by Halcon inon a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
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Jeffro
Yes, a photo of a newspaper article in one single newspaper that can’t be found online is not ‘widely available media coverage’.
Also you misquoted me. I said “some media interest” which you changed to “significant coverage”.
There is no functional difference between ‘widely available media coverage’ and ‘significant coverage’. You claimed that it was given wide coverage. It wasn’t. My reply to your incorrect claim was accurate.
Plus you give no apology for misquoting me as claiming "extensive coverage". I won't hold my breath.
At no point did I use the term ‘extensive coverage’.
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What does the Catholic church think of JW?
by Halcon inon a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
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Jeffro
What’s ‘In the media’ is a single tabloid-style piece that explicitly attributes the anecdote to ‘Brzakovic’ without any verification of the claimed details. Your standard of evidence is abysmal. Additionally, a Google search for pages consisting both "brzakovic" and "ratzinger" returns a total of 6 results, none of which are news sites.
GPT said there was no widely available media coverage, which is correct, and it was also correct that what is available is unverifiable. Your claim that “GPT … said there was no media report at all” is simply wrong.
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What does the Catholic church think of JW?
by Halcon inon a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
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Jeffro
That’s wrong, it was in the Canberra Times (clipping linked above), described as a “compact” broadsheet not a tabloid, and can still be found, including the clipping, on many sites
It can be found on a smattering of JW related forums. I checked. The story tracks back to one lady’s unverifiable claim.
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What does the Catholic church think of JW?
by Halcon inon a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
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Jeffro
ChatGPT gets facts wrong and claims certainty while doing it.
It can. But I separately verified what it said, which I specifically covered at the end of that post.
And the newspaper, conveniently not showing the actual source, reads like a tabloid piece. It also seems it is more likely the ‘example’ rather than ‘significant coverage’.
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What does the Catholic church think of JW?
by Halcon inon a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
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Jeffro
Halcon:
As I understand it, JW is not really considered protestant per se, altho I'm not sure what else they could be.
That is the official JW line, but they are fundamentally Protestant in origin, and routinely included in encyclopedias of religion as either Protestant or Adventist (which are also Protestant).
See also Thou Doth Protest Too Much (part of Pure Worship review).
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What does the Catholic church think of JW?
by Halcon inon a trip to rome a few years ago i asked my friend (who is roman and jw) what the catholic faith thinks of jw.
he simply stated that jw is tolerated by the church but that really not much thought is given to them.
is there an official stance on jw by the catholics?
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Jeffro
The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 7, pages 864-865 is fairly accurate about JWs. There is a statement that is occasionally cherry-picked by JW apologists as 'inaccurate' because it says JWs "are allowed no other books than the Bible and the society's own publications". This is sometimes falsely taken as an incorrect assertion that JWs can't read anything else, but the context of the statement is specifically regarding religious literature. The entry also specifically addresses the NWT's addition of "other" in Colossians along with comments about some other Bible verses. It describes the NWT as "excellent except when scientific knowledge comes into conflict with the accepted doctrines of the movement". It notes Jehovah's Witnesses as evolving out of being a sect into a denomination.
The 2nd Edition (2002), still in volume 7, addresses JWs on pages 751-752. Rather than add material to bring it more up to date, the section is briefer than the 1967 version, and notes that the JW growth rate has "slowed somewhat" since the rates seen in the 1930s and 1940s.