Posts by Celia

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What is Jehovah's Will Today?

by SexyTeen in

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i have a quick question: what is jehovah's will today and who is doing it?

Celia

sorry, couldn't post firt time, then it was double...
sheech....

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one of my paintings blow me some hot air

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What is Jehovah's Will Today?

by SexyTeen in

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i have a quick question: what is jehovah's will today and who is doing it?

You ask a question, but don't tell us your opinion on this. Why?
I agree with Indireneed to some extent.
His will, if there is a God, should be found in the Bible, no ?
That's the only place such a God is talked about.
And why do you ask "Today"... His will does not change over time, does it ?

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my gf is a jw

by jerome in

please offer any suggestions that may help me convince her thst sshe is being decived.

Celia

Read Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz, and ask her to read it too... Visit the Freeminds site, the Silentlambs site, the Observer site (links at the bottom of this page) with her, read, read, read, and learn !

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the haberdahser who cried wolf

by Celia in

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do you know the book : apocalypse wow !

by james finn garner, published in 1997 ?.

i love this kind of humor.... anyway, one of the chapter is titled : the haberdasher who cried wolf.

Celia

More :

Between 1914 and 1918, the Witnesses concocted their best-known prophetic slogan : “Millions now living will never die !” The Battle of Armageddon and the start of the Millenium were close at hand, and would erupt before the last of a group of 144,000 specially appointed Witnesses died. ((83 years later, it is believed a survey of that appointed group would fail to yield statistically significant data, or even enough for a hand of canasta.))
This “generation” would not die according to Scripture, until the Second Coming took place. The actual definition of “generation” has caused some problems since then. The Society has recently stopped defining it as the physical lifespan of a human being and instead now considers it an era. This extends the imminence of the “end times” almost indefinitely, although once the last of the 144,000 dies, regular unanointed members will take over the Society leadership, which could wreak absolute havoc on their current record of apocalyptic accuracy.
Other years chosen by Witnesses for the Big One : ((Is it just me, or is the word Witnesses taking on a slightly ironic tone by now ?))
1918 : When this year came and went, church leaders told their followers that the prediction was not wrong, only unapparent. Their official explanation was that Christ had entered God’s celestial temple in order to cleanse it. God’s poor housekeeping habits were news to many.
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Then finally, enough horsing around : 1975 was really, really, really going to be it, said church leaders. JWs adhere to the popular “6,000 years and out” dogma. According to their math, Adam and Eve were created in 4026 BC, so the 6,000 years were up in 1975.
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Of course, if we take Jesus’s word as gospel, it would seem to negate the very foundations laid by C.T. Russell when he established the Jehovah’s Witnesses. But why quibble about history when there’s so much to look forward to (constantly and as part of church doctrine) in the future ?

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the haberdahser who cried wolf

by Celia in

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do you know the book : apocalypse wow !

by james finn garner, published in 1997 ?.

i love this kind of humor.... anyway, one of the chapter is titled : the haberdasher who cried wolf.

Celia

I don't have the time right now to type more, but I will if you wnat me to. I need to do a few things and get ready to go see Lord of the rings at 3 pm, with kid and hubby !

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the haberdahser who cried wolf

by Celia in

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do you know the book : apocalypse wow !

by james finn garner, published in 1997 ?.

i love this kind of humor.... anyway, one of the chapter is titled : the haberdasher who cried wolf.

Celia

Do you know the book : APOCALYPSE WOW ! by James Finn Garner, published in 1997 ?
I love this kind of humor…
Anyway, one of the chapter is titled : The Haberdasher who cried wolf
And it is, of course, about the end time prophecies of Charles Taze Russell.

Here are parts of it :

Zealotry enjoyed a golden era in the late 19th. Century, with robber barons, temperance workers, and doomsday prophets vying for headlines. One of the most prominent of the latter was Charles Taze Russell, a Pennsylvania haberdasher who founded the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Since the group’s establishment in 1884, the end of the world and the Second Coming of Christ have been a cornerstone of the JWs (officially known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society). In fact, in this century alone, the Society has officially predicted the end at least five times. The unofficial count (through rumors, speculation, and the like) is pretty impressive as well. In fact, the Watchtower magazine, the official Society organ, has stated that the end is coming “soon” in every single issue ever printed since its beginning in 1879 – a pretty clever way to get subscribers to renew, when you think about it.
….By Russell’s estimation, October 2 (1914) would be the destruction date for the “Gentile nations”. On this day, chosen Witnesses would be taken to heaven, while Christ’s millenial reign on earth would begin.
So, did this happen ? Hard to say. According to one JW leader, Russell bounded down the stairs to breakfast on the morning of October 2, “briskly clapped his hands and happily announced : ‘the Gentile times have ended’ “ Yet the milkman still came that day, the buses still ran, and worldly kingdoms had failed to topple. Setting the standard for ideological gymnastics that the group carries on to this day, Russell explained that Christ had indeed defeated Satan and established his Kingdom – only he had done it in the outermost heavens, where we mortals couldn’t see it. Worldly kingdoms while still around, were now invalid. Russell said the public had misinterpreted his prophecy, which hadn’t stated explicitly that Christ would set up anything on earth. (Boy, you start telling people about the end of worldly kingdoms and Christ’s return, and they start jumping to all sorts of nutty conclusions !)

And there’s more, about Rutherford and more… Love it !

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who wants to be second best?

by toribabe in

jw's belive that one day that they'll live in paradise, which is fine.. but how can the belive that they are saved?

the fact is they don't.

i concider being saved as a wonderful gift from god, that one day i'll see him and spend eternity with him, and 'with him' i would concider to be in 'heaven' with him.. the gospel is, that god loves you, jesus died for you so he could forgive your sins and that all man is equal in his eyes, and jw's stand firmly on that belief.and then they believe that at the end, 144 thousand shall go to heaven (which i think is the highest place, where god has his throne, and where he rules from, basically the best) and that the other belivers will stay on earth in paradise.. don't you think that,that's awful, how could all those belivers be satistfied with that?

Celia

I can't anwer that for you, but yesterday, Amazing posted something relating to that, a speech he made during the Memorial... I'll go find it and post the link...
Here it is...
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=20785&site=3

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Part 6 a/b: Last Pub Talk - Memorial Saga

by Amazing in

part 6(a): last public talk the memorial saga .

[note: now things really get interesting.

this is a longer post, but it needs to be said because the events get more and more bizarre!

Celia

Thanks Amazing.
What a pain in the neck this elder A was !
Is he still an elder ?

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Freedom of religion

by Norm in

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the january 8.

magazine discuss this theme.

looking through it (the norwegian issue) it really amazes me that the average jehovah's witness can actually read this and not notice the glaring inconstancy.

Celia

Thanks Norm, great post again.
Do you have all your essays posted in one spot somewhere on the web ?