Posts by cellomould

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Bush is he crazy?

by happy man in

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what happend inn the word now?.

us is the word police doing what they want, putting peopel in prision and bombing innocent peopel,.

and yesterday he come upp widh a crazy idea that other countrys must pay tax on 30% iff they want to sell steel to us, and what will happend, europe must akt inn the same way, perhaps 30% on evry car imported from us, i must say i think this man is a dissaster for us.

cellomould

Bush is not crazy...he's criminally insane.

cellomould

"In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

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Why I took my picture down.

by hungry4life in

many are familiar with my "friend" i mention her in many of my posts.

well lately she has told me about some strange actions towards her by the elders and others in her hall.

she is nervous and unsure of what is going on.

cellomould

my picture's back up!

cellomould

"In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

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"Please wrap me in a Roman toga"

by Smoldering Wick in

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those were charles taze russell's last words according to the carnegie library of pittsburgh:.

jehovah's witnesses, center of flag rows, born in pittsburgh.. on a train that rumbled over a texas prairie on a fall day in 1916 a gray-haired man collapsed of a heart attack.. to a group that gathered round him, he murmured:.

"please wrap me in a roman toga.".

cellomould

Were those his last words or first words?
Dirty little boy he must have been.

cellomould

"In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

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Bible Fake: Jesus Stills the Storm

by JosephAlward in

i've argued before in this forum that mark wanted to have jesus seem to be the messiah whose existence he believed--or pretended to believe--was prophesied, foreshadowed, or prefigured, by persons and events found in scripture, so he scoured the writings of the prophets for these stories, and adapted them to fit jesus.

i believe the striking parallels below show almost conclusively that mark's story about jesus stilling the storm was adapted from jonah, and is fictional.. in jonah, a violent storm threatens a ship on which jonah sleeps, so mark made a violent storm threaten a ship on which jesus sleeps.

in jonah, the apprehensive sailors waken jonah and question his cavalier attitude toward the danger, so mark made his boat's captain apprehensive also, and had him, too, waken jesus and question him about his seeming lack of concern.

cellomould

While we're being skeptical, why don't we mention the bottle gourd plant that Jonah saw?

It's quite clear that Jonah interpreted the bottle gourd plant as a message from God. In other words, God didn't provide the plant and then explain why... the plant was the message.

It's a very interesting story in Jonah when you get to the disappointment over Ninevah being 'spared'. Why would God go back on his word to destroy the city? How did 'sackcloth and ashes' make God feel sorry for the Ninevites?

And why would Jonah be so distraught that he couldn't unleash his jealous God on them?

Jonah gives a very good insight into the psychology of a prophet.

cellomould

"In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

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Is SEX all men care about??

by butalbee in

this thread is dedicated to all of the horny stud's out there who think with their penis: "big breasts, nice ass, i wanna mound her, blah, blah, blah...." i suppose then this would include ever man in the entire world, as horny as they are, just thinking about one thing and one thing only, sex...not that sex is a bad thing, sex is very nice, except maybe if you're a single jw, then your hand is your personal best friend.

but even so, they still think of sex, they just won't admit to it, or have lost the key to their chastity belt.

when a man see's a nice looking woman, what's the first thing they think about: "wow, wonder what she looks like naked", not "i bet she has a wonderful personality.

cellomould

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahaha hahahaha haha!!!

Good one Abaddon!

cellomould

"In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

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Bible Fake: Jesus Stills the Storm

by JosephAlward in

i've argued before in this forum that mark wanted to have jesus seem to be the messiah whose existence he believed--or pretended to believe--was prophesied, foreshadowed, or prefigured, by persons and events found in scripture, so he scoured the writings of the prophets for these stories, and adapted them to fit jesus.

i believe the striking parallels below show almost conclusively that mark's story about jesus stilling the storm was adapted from jonah, and is fictional.. in jonah, a violent storm threatens a ship on which jonah sleeps, so mark made a violent storm threaten a ship on which jesus sleeps.

in jonah, the apprehensive sailors waken jonah and question his cavalier attitude toward the danger, so mark made his boat's captain apprehensive also, and had him, too, waken jesus and question him about his seeming lack of concern.

cellomould

Good comments Joseph.

It is a bit discouraging to think that the gospel writers may have dishonestly embellished their stories. I had preferred to view it as that they were simply a bit too enthused.

But then, whose intentions can you really trust?

cellomould

"In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

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The Stark & Iannaccone study on JW growth!

by Mindchild in

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you may find this professional paper done by rodney stark & laurence r.iannaccone on why the jehovah's witnesses grow so rapidly:a theoretical application that appeared in the journal of contemporary religionto well be worth your time to read through carefully.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:3ta2px7hy6ec:lsb.scu.edu/econrel/downloads/jwgrow-o.pdf+future+growth+of+jehovah%27s+witnesses&hl=en&ie=utf-8.

the abstract:.

cellomould

You are probably right Larc;

as soon as the organization becomes a little more liberal, something like 9-11 happens. 'Satan is on the prowl' again.

My friend told me that the tone totally changed subsequently. I don't know if any others can verify this.

Has there been a trend towards strictness in the local congregations since September?

If only Satan would go away. What an insidious beast he has been!
LOL

cellomould

"In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

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Why no monkey stories?(evolution)

by sleepy in

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(the title is hyperbole bt the way as is the use of ape, i just didn't know the name of the creature that is supposed to have developed speech)).

something is puzzling me about the history of humankind and the stories that have been passed down through generations as fact.

the various histories of how man came to be.. which leads me to the question,.

cellomould

Siegswife,

We ascribe too much importance to 'who did it' or 'who discovered it'. But something that is innovative will persist and propogate, regardless of who first had the idea. It's really a function of the environment.

The same solutions often arise spontaneously and independently. An example is road building.

When I traveled to Peru, I wondered why the roads (well, really foot paths) built by the Incas were so similar to the pictures and drawings I saw (I admit primarily in WT literature) of biblical-era middle eastern roads. In both cases, you have a wall of stones lining the path on one side.

My question assumed their was no function to this wall. However, it would not be simply decorative.

So why build a stone road and a wall? That's a lot of work!

Well, early civilizations who didn't build walls along their roads wouldn't fare well. In the forests of the Andes or the wilderness areas of the eastern Mediterranean, a stone paved road without a wall is little better than a dirt path:

If no one passes over it for a while, the road will be lost due to vegetation or dust. So the wall is there to identify the path!

Does it seem like an incredible innovation now? It's not really an issue of a individual roadbuilder learning from his mistakes. Rather, the environment selected the roadbuilder (and thus his tribe) who may have seemed at the time to spend his resources (stones) too liberally.

cellomould

"In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

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Why no monkey stories?(evolution)

by sleepy in

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(the title is hyperbole bt the way as is the use of ape, i just didn't know the name of the creature that is supposed to have developed speech)).

something is puzzling me about the history of humankind and the stories that have been passed down through generations as fact.

the various histories of how man came to be.. which leads me to the question,.

cellomould

As has been discussed, the branch of the human family from which we originated has obviously been continuous. There have been few breakthroughs in self-awareness, but rather it's been mostly a slow process.

I do believe that the subject matter upon which the tales in the Bible are based provides a very good snapshot of human evolution, especially the evolution of conciousness.

The part of this process which was rapid was not an increase in individual conciousness, but rather an increase in social conciousness.

The most pervasive theme in mythology is death. Humans have long misunderstood their place in the animal kingdom, due, among other reasons, to our high status on the food chain. We continue to think the rules for animals don't apply to us. Well, guess what? We die too.

I believe that, in actuality, all animals see their own world subjectively. They are the kings of their own universes.

It is so hard to unravel our social evolution because we assume first vast differences in thought processing between humans and other animals. We avoid asking the important questions.

cellomould

"In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ

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Was leaving easy for you?

by Preston in

i was contemplating today on how easy it was for me to leave the congregation compared to what many people here had to deal with.

i mean, all the letters, judicial committees, family breakdowns were not really something i had to deal with.

the worst thing i had to deal with was when a couple of elders inquired if i ever "acted on" my being gay.

cellomould

Thanks for your comments, Preston.

I don't think my friend has come out to himself. That is most likely the problem.

Also, the sexuality issue may be a little more complicated. I dunno.

Mind if I e-mail you sometime?

I don't want to share too much on the board.

thanks,

cellomould

"In other words, your God is the warden of a prison where the only prisoner is your God." Jose Saramago, The Gospel According to Jesus Christ