don't try to convert me, please
by: lewis grizzard
sat june 25, 2005 11:44 am et.
I cant believe I used to do it either. Its just not in my nature. I cant even sell my daughters school raffle tickets - im more likely to give them away and then pay the money myself. I hate asking for anything.
I feel so bad for every single person I badgered. In my defence, I was really polite and not pushy. But still, what a pain in the ass...
when did i discover this?
i was brought up by an alcoholic mother and step father, life was miserable, told never to tell what was going on to other family members.
my elder siblings left home as soon as they could to marry.
Hi again Tez,
that must have taken an incredible amount of emotion and courage to write all that. I hope its the start (or maybe the middle) of a healing process for you.
I was so touched at the comment you made about being a mother - 'why would i be a mother and then disown my children when they chose to live how they wanted'. I feel exactly the same. Im lucky enough to be out while my daughter is small so I will never face the awful tug of war between god and my family.
And I honestly dont think you failed for not being able to give god 100%. It is a system with failure built in, no-one can make it balance properly, those that seem like they are have just never been chllenged with problems in their life. The Troof only works if you are middle class, middle income, middle of the road and NEVER have any problems in life. Its like the Woolworths christmas adverts with all the family sat round a fire laughing and sharing lovely presents.
You suceeded because you chose your family. All respect to you.
i have read a number of experiences in this discussion forum and quite frankly, i would have to agree that many, if not all, were pretty terrible experiences if not all together traumatic.
i know that my personal 9-11 tragedy resulted in finding out that the watchtower society was involved with the united nations.
that pretty much said it all as far as my "career" in the organisation was concerned.
I would like to agree with you DISA, but on reflection I dont think I can. I used to think the public speaking thing was a great benefit of having been a witness, until I trained to be a teacher.
I agree with all the other ladies, acting out a word for word skit with your notes hidden in your bible does nothing to help you speak publicly. Im not even talking about being infront of a class - I couldnt present to four other teachers in a totally safe space where we all had to present to each other.
The years I have spent recouping my education since leaving school and the resulatant loss of income (1 year doing a part time GCSE at night school, 2 years back at college paying to do A levels when I could have had them for free at age 16 - 18, 3 years back at university in my late 20,s, and 1 year doing a post grad teacher training course) have left me thinking no amount of Awake arrticles on the lesser spotted pepper moth could compensate me for my lost education. Im 35 and my career has just started. Im competing with 21 year olds who earn the same as me. I feel like a right loser!!
cons.
i don't know who is scarier, the jw's or some people on this board.
man, r u guys bitter?
Smelly Ive read this whole thread, and im left with one question. What are you doing here?
If I didnt like jews that much I wouldnt go onto a jewish board and say things like 'well, you know Hitler had some good ecomonic policies', and then howl loudly that I hadnt said anything personally hurtful to anyone, so why was everyone being so horrible to me?
If I thought gay people were not such a good idea I wouldnt seek out their discussion board and say something like 'well AIDS could be from god', and then keep on going back and back to argue with them when they repsonded.
I suggest you stop waving your salty fingers around peoples wounds. Some of us only have paper cuts, some have gaping big wounds, some of us dont even have scars, just a wicked sense of humour. Out of human politeness we try to keep our salty fingers to ourselves because we dont like causing hurt to our friends. You havent been here long enough to count any of the people here as a friend so I guess I can see why it might bother you less to cause hurt carelessly.
Im kind of embarrased for you because you sound so young, and you sound like you still think you know everything. Nevermind, there are lots of people here who wont hold it against you that you have been so insensitive to our friends.
Now you will have to excuse me, Smelly, because right now i am hurting for Avashai and his brother. Please feel free to apologise to him if the spirit move you.
Also use peoples names, its a fundamental part of human interaction, and generates closer relationships between parties.
i have just discovered that i can move the cursor on my screen by moving the fingertips of my left hand about one centimeter above my laptop sensor pad.
i don't think it's demunzz, but maybe the electrical field of my body interacting in some way.. if any part of my body is touching the computer it doesn't happen.
i can also make my face tingle when i hold my right hand over my head about five inches above where my soft spot was as a baby.. i often get electrical shocks from the fittings in department stores.. any theories - has anyone else found this??.
Did you buy that laptop from a second hand shop or a car boot sale? Its mos' likely deemunized. Id burn it right away along with your Led Zeppelin albums and your jar of bovril.
when my oldest child was about three we were in a kingdom hall with quite a few kids.
my son was frequently brought to the back room, not for a spanking, but to stretch his legs and take a break.
later diagnosed with adhd, he could not sit quietly if his life depended on it.
Crumbs thats a sad story. I thought exactly the same with as L2BW - what on earth was happening to the poor little bloke to make him change so radically so quickly.
when my youngest son came home from his weekend with his father, i realized it would soon be july, and my ex has a 10-day access period specified for july, and i thought i'd better write it on the calendar.
while doing this, my son tells me he's going to go somewhere with his dad, but he's not allowed to tell me.
i said to him, "hey, bud, you've got to tell me.
I really feel for you.
If he has a history of verbal violence towards you I can understand you not wanting to make a fuss about things. No of course you wouldnt want to cause a scene involving police, especially if your son is there - you are far more likely to want to protect your son that the father is, and that is why he is thinking he can push the limits more (hes less concerned about any consequences on your son).
I love Scullys idea though. A well timed and reasonable phone call to the local elders explaining the order, and that the police would surely arrest him at the assembly if he went (no mention of you starting this process, just make out like its all in the polices hands, you'd hate for it to happen but you are convinced that is what they would do etc etc) and you think they ought to know so they can arrange it so it wont disrupt the assembly too much. Course if they could convince him not to go that might be even better...
Let them put all the pressure on him instead of you - he cant turn round and threaten to punch them (much as he'd like to).
Whatever you manage to do, best of luck.
i've been thinking about this for a little while and it appears that this is a possibility.
although i cant say that there is solid evidence, it looks as if the clues are there:.
- clandestine involvement with the un as an ngo.
Im with Doom - how DO you do quotes? I can get the shadow box but I cant get anything in it.
see?
for example: we had a 'faithfull' brother getting older and confused.
when something did not really went as he liked it (didn't get the answer etc) he shouted very loudly 'god doom me in the hell!
one time i had to do the closing prayer on the midweek meeting.
LMAO. This is a great thread. If only we had all these happen in one almighty monty python of a meeting!
Mine is second hand off my sister in law. She and her smarmy bethel arse licking wannabee husband were looking after an old lady who took the emblems. One cold winters day they took a blanket to wrap round her legs, but unbeknown to them a long time ago a cat had shat in the blanket. When they opened the blanket up to wrap her in a perfectly formed dried cat shit rolled out and across the floor of the kingdom hall.
dub: <insert your own generic, typical, obnoxious jw comment that hints to, or directly states that the only reason you aren't a dub is because you are some kind of a-hole>.
non-dub: "that is interesting, but maybe i could tell you what i think about that.
see for me, i try very hard not to presume that a person has a dishonest or bad motive behind their choices as a believer of jehovah, because i wouldn't like anybody to treat me that way.
I think if I ever met a dub trying to preach to me I would say 'I dont think its the right religion', but then I would refuse to give any reasons why - 'oh no, it doesnt matter, I dont want to ruin your faith, no I really couldnt be bothered to discuss it with you, you wouldnt be interested'.
Nothing like a bit of mystery to get someone thinking.
But I really wouldnt discuss it because I really cant be bothered.
