Posts by zagor

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Are you an 'Ex Witness' or just you?

by creativhoney in

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i just wondered how people feel about this?

- do some only mix with other ex witnesses a couple of my friends, and it seems that by definition, they are 'ex witnesses' almost like a religion in itself.

- i would never define myself as an 'ex employee of xxx' as you leave it behind it doesnt define you.

zagor

Well said creativhoney, most of my friends are those who have never been associated with witnesses in any way. In fact, I've got so little interaction with anything WTBS related that last few days I came here just to catch up and see what's new. But I agree, it is very unhealthy if all interaction people have are running around ex-cult life. In fact, my last comment on another thread was exactly along those lines.

If healing is what people are after then they really need to start interacting with people who lead normal life that has been denied to many ex-witnesses as well as keep lines of communications with "brothers-in-arms" if they found a close friend or two. After all, witness past is what is integral part of you and only those who had been through it might understand some of your deepest thoughts, shaddows and demons of your past. But constantly dwelling on past can only lead to self-errosion and life that missed the purpose.

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Which book do you recommend for my next reading?

by tjlibre in

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the road less travelled or releasing the bond?

i already read crisis oc, almost done with in search of cf.

and of course, im still reading other bible translations.

zagor

I'd suggest you slowly start reading widely, not only about literature that would talk about cults but stuff that will rebuild foundations of your inner being. I guess my question is, other than cult experience, what else interests you? It is not really healthy to be completely consumed with state of mind that dwells constantly on the past (as important as it is to be informed, you don't want to be inundated). It is like anything in life, if someone hurt you and you spent rest of your life thinking about it, it is like giving them a free rent on your mind, why would anyone want to do that?
Truthfully, I can tell you from my own experience that healing process for me started when I got passed innitial stage, left wtbs and my life there behind and just got on with my life. WTBS past now is, well a very distant memory. I can read about it now the same way I'm reading newspaper about what happens in say Middle East, disggusted, amused, intrigued but it doesn't run my life.

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Are you a blood donor?

by GLTirebiter in

in another thread, creativhoney said:.

the bible says there is no greater gift than you lay down your life for another, the bible refers to blood as life.

i conclude we should all give blood.. and chalam replied:.

zagor

yes.

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Is internet dating for losers?

by Newborn in

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after almost a year of internet dating on various sites, i've concluded that it's not the place for me to meet the man of my dreams.

anyway, i'm happy i've given it a shot and i've gained lots of experience and even made a few male friends.

anyone here who's had better luck?.

zagor

not neccessarily but if you go for it, don't drag it for too long before meeting the person, not being able to touch the person while passion, emotions, and reoccuring doubts are racing through your mind, eventually you are likely to burn out before you even meet them and then you'll just want out of it because of accumulated effect of unnatural feelings about the situation. I don't think its for me personally but IF it ever happens again, I'm likely to board next buss or whatever rather than let it running for months before doing anything about it.
But the truth is, you can meet great people online, and often over the net you get to know deeper part of them that would not surface through normal flirting and screwing around in person. Good luck

40

Beards

by creativhoney in

hypothetically.. if jesus returned.

would they let him on the platform with a beard?.

can eveyone have one?.

zagor

well, I am highjacking this thread little bit, do you find guys with beard hot?

I don't know about that but bearded woman would spoil my whole day. I remember this special pioneer in my old congo who had those teenage-looking mustache with a hair or two on her cheeks, she never plucked them. Funnily enough some people found that quite arousing...

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Did anyone else ever play their record albums backwards?

by EmptyInside in

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okay, i'm dating myself, record albums and all that, but i remember as a kid in the 80's, everyone was playing their albums backwards looking for some hidden satanic message.

my older brothers got talked into throwing a couple of their moody blues albums away.

anyway, it was all the craze in my hall.

zagor

yup, voices from hell say in one accord, f*ck this, its too hot in here, can we have some Heineken...

34

I want an avatar!!!

by John Doe in

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.

zagor

I thought you had one before, what happened to it?

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Ladies, did you ever like someone so much.........

by asilentone in

ladies, did you ever like someone so much and you have a pretty good idea that he likes you too, but he never ask you out, what do you do next?

do nothing?

have you ever done nothing and move on?.

zagor

lol, first off, if guy likes a girl he will let her know it is that simple, if not he will either say nothing or if situation has already developed and he finally realized 'woha I'm not likeing this, or I'm not ready for this or this is weird and hard to explain (whatever it is)' he'll find a way out of it even if it means enacting something to make her believe she is one breaking it off. But I've meet very few people who didn't actually tell it to the girl, unless they themselves have some psycho-baggage that prevents them from approaching girls in general, in that case I'd suggest some form of help of therapy.

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Does any other religion have an architectural symbol as sort of a logo?

by JWoods in

i am, of course, talking about the famous "watchtower" image.

they even built one on top of one of their buildings.... just wondering - does any other religion have some architectural symbol which they use as a sign of their belief?.

of course, there are crosses and the ancient egyptians had the pyramids (as did some early american primatives) -.

zagor

sure they do, cross is pretty much universal logo of christianinty (except dubs from 1920'a I think but they hardly count), crescent moon is logo of islam, yin–yang is of Taoism etc. Symbolism is deeply entrenched in religion in general, I guess you could almost argue that it touches humans on archetypical, subliminal level, where different groups identify character of their worldview through presence of one of those.

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Are Jehovah's Witness men good catches?

by garyneal in

i've stated this before on this message board but i was kind of curious about this and wanted to get some feedback from the group.

in particular, the ladies who are either current or former jw's.. about a year or so ago, my wife went with me to a church i was attending at the time.

we then later that morning attended a kh meeting.

zagor

She then said that if she could find her ideal man, it would most likely be a Jehovah's Witness man

lol.. that is an age old "nice guy" argument that many women use in different incarnations, that is meant to mean something else, kinda semi oxymoron.

I guess the difference with witnesses is that they put men through systematic wussification program, softening them and suppressing their natural masculinity. One would almost wonder why they don't just inject them with Estrogen (hell at least we'd have nice drag shows lol) instead of making men going against their nature.
I remember often wondering as a dub why wtbs was so against men exuding masculine presence and confidence in themselves. After all Jesus they say they follow was not a wussy. Heck he took a whip and kicked some ass in the middle of the "god's temple" i.e. he fought for what he believed in. But it didn't take much thinking to see why. It is easy to control dormant morons, yes-men who can hardly fart without consulting if their conscious, ahem, "Society" would approve of it.
Mind you the same argument can also be applied to witness women who often develop skewed expectations of their husbands and then everyone wonders why it doesn't work, why guy eventually says 'f*ck this' etc.

So I guess she would be better off reassessing what she means by "Jehovah's Witness" a.k.a a "nice guy" is it a kiss-ass or is it a self-actualized man, aware of his presence and place in this world. I find that most normal "worldly girls" love second, unless they have a baggage of some sort, then again most normal guys stay clear of any baggage and find elegant way out of it if caught by accident.