Posts by Caedes

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"You can't believe anything science says, they're always changing their minds.."

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friends

i know this is going to come up in a conversation shortly, how would you respond to this?

i've had it said to me before, specifically about health, one week wine/eggs/milk/axle grease is good for you, next week it's not..

Caedes

You would have to go quite a long way back in time to find a scientific theory being completely overturned. Usually science is modified rather than overturned. But the thing is that the ability of science to self correct is one of the good things about science. If you think that you can prove a scientific theory is wrong all you have to do is show sufficient evidence to prove your case to your peers.

It is important to distinguish between 'hard' science and the 'softer' sciences, one of the examples given was healthy foodstuffs. Anyone can call themselves a 'nutritionist' and hence these 'nutritionists' can make any sort of claim and not have to back it up with evidence.

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Scientists Should Not Dismiss Genesis So Quickly

by Chris Tann in

nasa discovery proves the bible scientifically accurate.

the debate.

for decades there has been a long standing debate between science and religion as to the validity of the biblical genesis account of creation.

Caedes

Remember: god apparently created the entire universe and all life in just days ... but now he really needs your money !!

I guess his create ability dried up after he unlocked that achievement.

Perhaps he is playing one of those free-to-play world building games on his universe sized i-pad and now he has run out of pocket money for the in-app purchases.

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Examining Genesis . Would your JW's ?

by Phizzy in

i was talking to a jw a short time ago and it emerged in conversation that he believed in the literal truth of the bible's first book, genesis.. no great surprise there, but he said something pertinent, he said, "if you don't, then the whole of our belief falls apart".. i was wondering if this may be of use to those who are endeavouring to "wake up" jw family or friends.

a proper examination of genesis could be encouraged in a gentle way, raising questions the j.w's must answer, ( you may have to insist they answer them, not shove them aside as they love to do ), and eventually they will have to get to the point, if they are at all honest, that genesis is simply not literal truth.. then, their whole body of belief is undermined.. simples !.

well, the idea is, the execution may be impossible, but i just thought the idea may be helpful ?.

Caedes

I would agree that for most JWs, genesis is central to their beliefs. It is usually what I talk about if I get JWs at the door. It's quite fun to watch them have to concede so many points regarding genesis and then I talk about original sin and point out that without genesis being literal it makes no sense.

My wife usually feels sorry for them by the time I have finished with them.

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Scientists Should Not Dismiss Genesis So Quickly

by Chris Tann in

nasa discovery proves the bible scientifically accurate.

the debate.

for decades there has been a long standing debate between science and religion as to the validity of the biblical genesis account of creation.

Caedes

Chris,

What people want to know is what you think of the article, express your own thoughts and just link to the article in question.

However as some people have suggested the problem is that the genesis account is not reflective of what we know of planetary formation. The genesis account clearly states that the earth is formed first along with the heavens. This does not tally with what we see of planetary formation.

We know that heavier elements are formed inside stars, so all the of the heavy elements that we are surrounded by are the remnants of a long dead star. We also know that the sun was formed before the earth and that there were stars in the sky long before our sun or the earth formed, this directly contradicts genesis 14. Genesis 14 states that the stars and the sun and the moon were created not only after the earth but after god created light!

See the link below for evidence of protoplanetary formation in action, the site is very good for anyone interested in astronomy.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/11/06/hl_tau_new_observations_of_a_young_planetary_system.html

(edited as it could have been read that I was suggesting it was my own site that I linked to, it's not, it is the site of a professional astronomer.)

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Trashed WT's found in Dr.s' waiting room Friday. Do you trash literature you find?

by Wasanelder Once in

took the magazines in the waiting room and dumped them in the trash.

was a great feeling.

to think many witnoids wont dare throw out the surplus magazines they have in stacks around the house is amazing.

Caedes

I throw them out if it's a magazine, have only come across gideon bibles otherwise. To those I add 'this is a work of fiction do not take literally' on the inside cover.

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does God read our minds, or should we pray out loud?

by sowhatnow in

i always wondered, can god read our thoughts?

if he can then why cant satan?.

i was told by my mother that god can read our minds, but satan cant satan can only hear our words and see our motives and what we do,.

Caedes

Who knew that jesus was a slacker!

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does God read our minds, or should we pray out loud?

by sowhatnow in

i always wondered, can god read our thoughts?

if he can then why cant satan?.

i was told by my mother that god can read our minds, but satan cant satan can only hear our words and see our motives and what we do,.

Caedes

If praying works what does god have against amputees? Or the victims of ebola? Or some of the victims of smallpox or tsunamis or earthquakes?

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A fascinating invention is being tested here in our little village.

by Gregor in

it is a beautifully simple machine that produces electricity from moving water.. we live on the columbia river 3 miles above the huge bonneville dam hydro-electric installation.. we have an abandoned lock that was built about one hundred years ago to lift river traffic around the rapids formed thousands of years ago when the naturally formed bridge of the gods collapsed.

the river now flows through it next to thunder island.. recently, an experimental device called the "eco-auger" was lowered into the locks current to begin tests of the beta model.

it is about the size of a small school bus.

Caedes

Interesting device, the only way we are going to meet future power needs is to use a variety of different technologies. I'm involved in some tidal power generation projects and it isn't easy to achieve reliable power generation.

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God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

by exWTslave in

in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

Caedes

BOTR,

If you can't understand what that means within the context of a post about science then you must have the English comprehension abilities of a child.

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God is not an element both in religious fanaticism and atheism alike

by exWTslave in

in my intimate conversations with many of my atheists friends i have found that their real problem is the human rights abuse of the religious fanaticssomething which god hates (not the lack of proof for gods existence) (means when the religions went to one extreme, their opponents go to another extremethus god is not at all an element in religious fanaticism and atheism alike) atheists shun, belittle or resist proofs for the existence of god, because they fear it will only further strengthen the religion from which the fanaticism arisethus object of atheists attack is fanaticism (not god) .

hence what atheists do is really a service to the humanity (while fanaticism is a crime against humanity).

hence when the atheists ask for proof for the existence of god, one need not take it seriously.

Caedes

He won't. He hasn't read it himself or he would comment on it.

Cofty,

It's astonishing how often our more fundamentalist fellow posters do that.