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  How is Genesis scientifically incorrect?

  by EndofMysteries in

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  i'll add many things in the bible i don't agree with, but the bible is a collection of books.

  now to make sure i'm reading as closely to what is written in genesis, i look at this hebrew interlinear, because english translating and rearranging of words can change it.

  http://www.scripture4all.org/onlineinterlinear/otpdf/gen1.pdf.

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  RJH,

  How are you deciding that the days clearly referenced are allegorical but the other details are not? 

  How are you deciding that genesis 1:14 that clearly states god made the sun, moon and stars on the fourth day is allegorical.

  As has already been pointed out the use of the word day in the original language is consistent with the meaning of a 24 hour day not an age or period of time. What exactly in genesis suggests that it not be read as it is written?  

  What is your criteria for accepting certain statements in genesis at face value and not others? It sounds to me like you are accepting the statements that confirm your existing bias.

  The simple fact is that the genesis account is at odds with science regarding how the earth formed (long after the stars and long after the sun) which would suggest that the entire genesis passage is at best allegorical in it's entirety. 

   
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  Science increasingly makes the case for god

  by DesirousOfChange in

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  recently got this email from a long-time jw friend who is still "in".thoughts on a tactful response?thanks,doc

  science increasingly makes the case for god.

  the odds of life existing on another planet grow ever longer.. intelligent design, anyone?.

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  Double post
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  Science increasingly makes the case for god

  by DesirousOfChange in

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  recently got this email from a long-time jw friend who is still "in".thoughts on a tactful response?thanks,doc

  science increasingly makes the case for god.

  the odds of life existing on another planet grow ever longer.. intelligent design, anyone?.

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  Caedes

  "woo hoo!

  Another G*d vs Atheist thread!

  not

  Given the plethora of threads on this forum devoted to other topics perhaps you could try posting on one that does interest you then. Heaven forbid that other people should have different interests to you!  
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  'Tracing All Things With Accuracy' - How the Watchtower Society's Writing Department never makes a mistake

  by jwleaks in

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  from the 2011 yearbook of jehovah's witnesses.. source: 'tracing all things with accuracy'.

  tracing all things with accuracy.

  jesus said that the faithful slave would be discreet in giving the domestics their food at the proper time.

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      "Take, for example, the following statement in the brochure Was Life Created? about spider silk being one of the strongest materials on earth: “If enlarged to the size of a football field, a web of dragline silk 0.4 inch thick with strands 1.6 inches apart could stop a jumbo jet in flight!” Although the source for this statement was a reputable science magazine, it was not the original source, and the original source was ambiguous. Therefore, it became necessary to contact the researcher who made the original statement and check how hereached this conclusion. Our researchers also had to find the formula and the information needed to calculate for themselves what impact a jumbo jet might have on a spiderweb the size of a football field. Many hours of research and meticulous calculations eventually confirmed the accuracy of this astounding piece of information."

  I don't believe this for a second. I don't remember my engineering textbooks having any formula for calculating the strength of football field sized spider-webs. Presumably they have a couple of chartered engineers hanging around for just such a question?!  
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  Boyfriend and dating news - Any advice

  by KateWild in

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  so i started dating on the internet in june and have met some nice guys.

  i have put in a few recent posts that i have a boyfriend and wanted to give an update.

  things haven't worked out sadly.. i was seeing him for a couple of months we were having fun and then things tailed off after christmas.

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  Caedes

  They're a lot more nervous than you realise.
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  Did Polonius kill his wife? A problem with apolegetics

  by bohm in

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  a basic problem with christian apologetics when applied to the bible is that it relies on the tacit assumption you can draw reliable conclusions on the material.

  the most common form of apologetics start out by certain claims (the tomb was found empty, the disciples had post-crusifiction experiences of jesus that transformed their lives, etc.

  this is hearsay since the person who made the statement cannot be sworn in.

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  Honesty,

  You are correct I do not have to fear any of those things because I live in a largely secular country where atheism is not persecuted. Even in my country however we still have to fight to stop religious people from imposing their beliefs on those of us that don't share them. Beliefs that you cannot provide any evidence for.  

   
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  Did Polonius kill his wife? A problem with apolegetics

  by bohm in

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  a basic problem with christian apologetics when applied to the bible is that it relies on the tacit assumption you can draw reliable conclusions on the material.

  the most common form of apologetics start out by certain claims (the tomb was found empty, the disciples had post-crusifiction experiences of jesus that transformed their lives, etc.

  this is hearsay since the person who made the statement cannot be sworn in.

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  Honesty,

  The problem is that it is you who is making the claim that jesus was a real person and was resurrected, the burden of proof is on you. I am not making any claim about jesus merely stating that I have seen no evidence to convince me he was real or that he was resurrected.

  The problem with your claim about Tacitus is that Tacitus was a meticulous historian and yet he only refers to the title christus not to jesus. His reference is only in relation to giving details of the source of the term Christian. His reference to Pontius Pilate also uses the wrong title for Pontius Pilate he wasn't procurator. The fact that a well respected Roman historian has the correct dates for events pertaining to the Roman empire should be of no surprise. What is a surprise is that he didn't know the name Jesus and didn't know Pontius Pilate's title. Perhaps his source for this small anecdote wasn't very reliable. Either way hardly conclusive evidence for jesus and zero evidence that jesus was resurrected.
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  Did Polonius kill his wife? A problem with apolegetics

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a basic problem with christian apologetics when applied to the bible is that it relies on the tacit assumption you can draw reliable conclusions on the material.

  the most common form of apologetics start out by certain claims (the tomb was found empty, the disciples had post-crusifiction experiences of jesus that transformed their lives, etc.

  this is hearsay since the person who made the statement cannot be sworn in.

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  I admit I don't have all the answers but that doesn't mean I should accept things for which there is no evidence. If as you say this discussion requires a degree of faith then you have already conceded that your argument is not based on evidence.

  The point I am making is that it would be close-minded and foolish to state that you would not be willing to accept that you are wrong if you are presented with empirical evidence that contradicts your beliefs. if you are not prepared to accept that you could be wrong then there isn't a discussion in the first place.  
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  Did Polonius kill his wife? A problem with apolegetics

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a basic problem with christian apologetics when applied to the bible is that it relies on the tacit assumption you can draw reliable conclusions on the material.

  the most common form of apologetics start out by certain claims (the tomb was found empty, the disciples had post-crusifiction experiences of jesus that transformed their lives, etc.

  this is hearsay since the person who made the statement cannot be sworn in.

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  Honesty,

  There is no empirical evidence for either Jesus being real or being resurrected.  
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  Did Polonius kill his wife? A problem with apolegetics

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a basic problem with christian apologetics when applied to the bible is that it relies on the tacit assumption you can draw reliable conclusions on the material.

  the most common form of apologetics start out by certain claims (the tomb was found empty, the disciples had post-crusifiction experiences of jesus that transformed their lives, etc.

  this is hearsay since the person who made the statement cannot be sworn in.

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      In my opinion (yeah, I have one of those too. I'm sitting on it) each person has the privilege of believing it or not     and no one will be able to change their minds no matter what 'evidence' or suppositions they provide.

  I would very happily change my mind if I was provided with empirical evidence that I was wrong. In fact I would welcome people providing such evidence. If people choose not to change their mind after being presented with such evidence then they are fools. You are assuming that the default religious position of believing things despite evidence also applies to more rational individuals.