in a previous post http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/156153/1.ashx.
i showed how i was making some local headway in warning the community about jw's and the danger they pose as a cult and as protecting child molesters.
well the post i made with the link to nbcs story on the lawsuit payout got deleted by community correspondent.
Yes they have, as well as a few other religious groups. I have always been suspicious that a lot of these "religious" organizations answer to the same head cheese at the end of the day, and that they are all journalists.
If you control what they see, you can control what they think, I get most of my information from underground resources and international, because the US media is a crock of you know what.
dear friends,.
much of what we do on a daily basis is routine and of no particular, earth-shaking importance.
however, after reviewing letters of family going back to wwii, it is fascinating to read what dad was doing on board the aircraft carrier in the pacific on any old day, what mom was cooking on her ever-steaming range, how i was dealing with the roller coaster of emotion at bethel [mom saved all my letters], how nana wrote that she would not study with the witnesses [per my request] but 'here are some mittens i knitted for you when you canvass new york with your magazines.
It's Monday!
to the household of god... and all those that go with... may you have peace!.
i wish to share the following vision with you, and you may (or may not) take from it what you wish:.
in my vision i saw a large crowd following a very disfigured, seemingly very ill, little man.
Very very few will look at and read a post like this, perhaps because the feeling that it brings up isn't a pleasant one, perhaps because people don't like feeling lost or because they feel that it isn't time to give up the flesh.
Honestly, I think most people won't read it because it is very long and it the points are very difficult to find, and also honestly because it just reads way too much like the stuff from the JW religion.
But this part did make me smile, but probably in a different way than you:
In that crowd was an insignificant woman, seized with disease of all sorts, possessed with demons, and full of hatred, envy, jealousy and hypocrisy.
All life is suffering, free yourself from the suffering, give no place for it and find peace in enlightenment through the path of humanity...
^^^^That's an example of pretty much exactly what was said in the very long-winded post. There is power in simplicity and it is something I work on myself, as I can get very caught up with the blah blah blah, the issue is most people don't read the blah blah blah, they want the main point, the thesis statement and the facts. Plus most people don't want to be preached at, the JW religion is good for that, as well.
I remember reading a study where they detailed people that lived the longest and had the best outlook on life, one of those things was a having good friendships to rely on...
san francisco is just one of many sanctuary cities in this country.
as a permanent residence to the usa having had to go through immigration meetings, medical tests, means tests and a pretty good dose of fear - it bothers me that the same city that i had to go to for my hearing, past armed guards to prove my worth, wants illegals to come out of the woodwork and take advantage of the services the city has to offer, with a promise that they won't be rounded up or harmed in any way.
i don't seem to understand this system at all - i feel penalized somehow for doing what was right yet, i can still feel badly for those who are scared while here illegally.
Oh my goodness, still repeating propaganda, I see. Let me clear a few things up for you.
Number one, as you have absolutely no idea where I have actually traveled and where I have lived, let me just pinpoint your very first incorrect statement. I have lost count the number of times I have been to Oakland. I think my first time was when I was about 8 or 9. You see my step-father's sister live/d there (most last year to Arizona, I believe) and I would visit at least once every summer. My last time? Probably a year and a half ago. Boy have things changed. What I keep reading from you is the glossing over of serious issues with illegal immigration and the inferrence of side stepping the issue. Oakland is one of the most dangerous cities in the country and the education system is in shambles. Again, my step father's mother taught school there until she retired about two years ago and I have to tell you that the horror stories that the teachers go through with the huge influx of illegal immigrants in the classroom is something I am sure you will gloss over. Her husband is a physician, and again, these are people that I have stayed with, talked to, walked around the neighborhood so many times, again lost count.
I know for a fact there is an issue with illegal immigrants and blacks and I know for sure there are a lot of people writing about and doing documentaries about it. I just saw one the other day. What you will notice from me or what you should notice is that if I don't know something, have no experience with someone I don't comment on it and I will admit that I am learning. When I discuss something it is not just because I have first hand knowledge about it, but have enough documentation to back it up. I have worked not only in the research field but have published journal articles on some of the subjects we are discussing.
Move on.
Department of Health and Human Servies, well one of my closest friends works at the main office and she and I have worked on awarding grants to accomodate the discrepancies in Health Care in different communities in this country. So what I can tell you about my the statistics that I have given and the human side of the stories is that you are missing the point. And since I know just a little bit about how they gather their numbers, let's just say, we can debate the authenticity over that all day long.
What you are doing is justifying a slave class of people and you are ignoring that they need to fight for their rights in their OWN country. Demanding that another country pick up the slack of someone else is ridiculous. It's absurb. I have always believed that if so many millions are flowing in from Mexico from this country and other countries, why is our Military not fighting that invasion and the UN involved in the international abuses of Mexico. If more than 10 percent of any country is illegally entering another country, that's a problem. And even you can't name ONE COUNTRY that doesn't have an immigration policy and there's a reason for that, it's not because any country is unfeeling or cruel to humanity, it's for the protection of it's citizens and the protection of its economy. Do you have a passport? I do, and let me tell there is a reason that you need one in order to go in a country. Why do you use it? Why should a country know something about the person that is trying to enter in a country, that country has the right to decline ENTRY of anyone, be that a pedophile, a murderer, a rapist or someone smuggling drugs in the child's diaper.
Now through your rationale, you admit that illegal immigrants break laws but your rationale, which to me is hilarious is that well, American citizens break laws too. That means absolutely nothing. Someone from another country who comes into this country through criminal means, steals someone's identity and is a criminal in their country HAS NO RIGHT TO BE HERE. They are invaders and contributing to issues that ALL SOCIETIES have. A country has a right to do things for the betterment of its people. That's why we have militaries, that's why we have people in the government, although they are a crock, but the point remains the same. I see you didn't talk about those carrying diseases that put communities at risk, or those that are victims of identity theft, or the many innocent lives lost by drivers, guns, and the women that are raped by these illegal immigrants, that is people that invaded a country for the sole purpose of continuing their acts of criminality.
And like you I have ALSO BEEN TO MEXICO a few times, please do yourself a favor, stop now on that. If you want to ask a question about where I have traveled, do so, but when you write sentences on your ASSUmptions on where I have been, you look rather silly, it doesn't help your argument, which still makes no sense. As I have seen first hand the huge disrepancies in Mexico, as well as other places in this world, I do believe that these people are PAWNs and can't see they are being used by this government and there's. Mexico can spend millions of dollars for a campaign to let its people work here, but refuse to put that money into the country? Make sense? So again, the United States wasn't always so great, we fought, we battled, we bled, we died to make it a country that is livable for our citizens. And while some of us may have immigrated other places, the majority of us stayed here and changed it within.
Again, you are using a justification for a slave class, and they are being used by this country and still kept at second-class citizen status. And the 1% power hungry and greedy make their money, while the liberal pandering (and funny I consider myself liberal on some areas, but sometimes the liberal pandering) just plays right into the hands of those in control.
As I have known people who wanted to come to this country, who gave up a lot, including their chances to visit their family and friends for a long period of time, I believe there is something very wonderful about immigration, but what you and I are discussing is not about immigration, what you and I are debating is whether any person has the right to illegally enter a country and live and disregard the laws of that land. And the answer is absolutely not. So as a kind of full circle, I don't agree with sanctuary cities, as they are a band-aid for a larger issue. Once we address the murderers, rapists, drug traffickers and those that steal the identities of the american people, the break down of the education system in communities with large illegal immigration for the american citizens, there is not a single leg to stand on as far as I am concerned. And the clashes in communities because of those that illegally enter this country are well documented, so again, not one leg to stand on.
You come here legally, I will break my back to help you and have helped very many in my time, but if you break the law and you are stealing people's identities, and such, I will condemn it.
And that's all I have to say on this. Feel free to cut, paste, quote, Ad hominem, I am done with this topic.
san francisco is just one of many sanctuary cities in this country.
as a permanent residence to the usa having had to go through immigration meetings, medical tests, means tests and a pretty good dose of fear - it bothers me that the same city that i had to go to for my hearing, past armed guards to prove my worth, wants illegals to come out of the woodwork and take advantage of the services the city has to offer, with a promise that they won't be rounded up or harmed in any way.
i don't seem to understand this system at all - i feel penalized somehow for doing what was right yet, i can still feel badly for those who are scared while here illegally.
Of course we can. If not on what we throw away... then certainly on what we pay farmers not to grow/raise. We could feed the world, if we put our minds to it. Of course, doing so would mean producing more, which would mean driving down costs (you know, supply and demand - the greater the supply the less the demand... therefore, the lower price... which means lower profits).
"We" can only keep the cost of food high... if we produce less of it... or throw away the excess. Which is why farmers are paid NOT to farm... and restaurants, military installations, hospitals and more, throw out their excess.
Peace.
This logic makes absolutely no sense to me. It is not the United States job to take care of every poor person on the planet and NO WE CAN'T afford to feed every person who wants it. There is a shortage going on in Los Angeles, electricity is becoming an issue, economic crisis, the schools are the worst IN THE COUNTRY, so let me just ask this one question, when is the person's country going to be held responsible?
So let's just look at Mexicans, since they make up about 70% of all illegal immigrants coming into this country. Mexico is a rich country, a corrupt country but a rich one. Why in the world aren't people picketing against Mexico and demanding their rights of Mexico? This is why I find this whole debate crocked.
I seriously do not think you know anything about the structure of a country and the economic crisis when too many people invade a country and how it reflects on the country at hand.
san francisco is just one of many sanctuary cities in this country.
as a permanent residence to the usa having had to go through immigration meetings, medical tests, means tests and a pretty good dose of fear - it bothers me that the same city that i had to go to for my hearing, past armed guards to prove my worth, wants illegals to come out of the woodwork and take advantage of the services the city has to offer, with a promise that they won't be rounded up or harmed in any way.
i don't seem to understand this system at all - i feel penalized somehow for doing what was right yet, i can still feel badly for those who are scared while here illegally.
AGuest,
I am going to say this as nicely as I possibly can, but it is too much to read your responses like you write them, and it just takes away from the overall response. I will say a few things that stick out at me.
Do you admit or even want to discuss illegal immigrants that steal people's identities and cause them harm? How many illegal immigrants have stolen someone's social security number and other parts of their identity and caused the life of the american citizen harm?
What about all the rapists, the pedophiles (this I know about more than I want to comment on) that SNEAK across the border and harm children and women? What about all the people that by your justifications don't need to check in anywhere and have free reign to harm american citizens - that's ridiculous. How about all the drugs that illegal immigrants are trafficing? And if you have seen what has happened to environment and places with high trafficking illegals, you would be appalled - or maybe not. And if you live in Oakland, then you must know about the Mexicans that are going around killing blacks without a second thought? Most of them are illegal and their plan is to exterminate blacks from Calfornia because this is their land? Do you support that? (All rheotrical at this point.) I have read the ideology of LA RAZA and I have friends that live in Oakland as well, and only a few news agencies are telling the stories about all the innocent shootings to american citizens that are being done by illegals.
Seriously?!! Cristobal is making $8.65 an hour. Are YOU willling to slave in the hot sun and pick fruit for that amount? I have picked fruit - peaches, apples, plums, strawberries. I have picked cotton. And I have picked tobacco. I PROMISE you... you wouldn't do it. Nor would you live in the manner that such a wage forced you to. Why? Because you wouldn't have to. Why? Because YOU'RE A CITIZEN and therefore, YOU would get MORE if you stayed home. AND you would be "entitled" to "decent, safe, and affordable" housing.
Sounds like you are justifying the slave class in this country. Let me be clear about something, you do not know me, I would do ANYTHING and I do mean ANYTHING to survive, I have done just about every job from the top to the bottom, including picking tomatoes for a summer job. The jobs you are referring to, have always been done in this country, even before the propaganda that you are repeating became this big push. Low skilled american citizens did the jobs you claim were not done. Hell if it pays the bills and I can take care of myself and my family, I will do ANYTHING. So don't give me that nonsense about what you know I won't do because there are a lot of american citizens with the same philosophy.
I think you and I are concerned about different things and are going to see this issue... as we have others... from different points of view. It doesn't matter, however, whether we agree: I believe as I do and you as you do. I like my position, however, as it says to me that, God forbid, should I... or someone I love... ever need to enter another country in order to survive, in order to get medical attention... I and/or they will be able to do so with a clean conscience.
I think there needs to be type of immigration law in place for every country. People need to checked for diseases that can spread to other innocent people, they need to check their criminal records, and they need to do a background check. This is a country of immigrants, people have been coming here and all over the world, when people disregard these laws it places communities at risk. Name me one country that doesn't have an immigration policy? There's a reason for this and if I go anywhere or want to live, I respect the laws of that country. Any community that has a large illegal immigration issue is having horrible issues - there's a reason for that. People go to other countries all the time for medical attention and intervention, but the issue is not about that, the issue is that a very rich country like Mexico, is not being held responsible for its citizens, the demand is on the US.
Anyway, I spoke my peace, and we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
By the way, paying taxes has nothing to do with being a slave. I am still free to think what I want and live how I want. When I revolt I do so intelligently to make the largest impact. Smart people operate beneath the radar, not drawing unnecessary attention by disrupting the system outright. Just thought I should make that clear.
i just got back from a church talent show that my cousin was in.
but when i hear songs such as " open the eyes of my heart lord" , " i can only imagine" or "jesus take the wheel" why does it make me want to run for the hills?
i hard the hardest time enjoying the song and ignoring the words.
Nothing is wrong, you might not like church music. I actually love it, especially the very emotional kinds, it is such a great change from the drone-like unemotional "Kingdom Melodies".
I was going to start a topic about separating religious music from the religion and still enjoying it.
hey guys!.
i can't wait to tell you something that happened last night.
in order to understarnd it, let me give you some details about me first: i'm still an elder, with my wife and the whole family and friends inside the borg.
http://www.seanet.com/~raines/ is one the the best sites, showing some of the craziest things the wts ever printed. take a look at the site and you will flip out. happy your wife is waking up. see if you can get her to read this link. john
I have come across his research and even referred to it, I have seen his abstract when I was doing research and somehow his name escaped me because I didn't commit it to memory. I thank you for this!!! 100 fold.
hey guys!.
i can't wait to tell you something that happened last night.
in order to understarnd it, let me give you some details about me first: i'm still an elder, with my wife and the whole family and friends inside the borg.
Great! I am happy to read this.
