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Layla33
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My wife is thinking AT LAST!!!!!
by tooktheredpill inhey guys!.
i can't wait to tell you something that happened last night.
in order to understarnd it, let me give you some details about me first: i'm still an elder, with my wife and the whole family and friends inside the borg.
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Knocking on the Doors of Classmates out in service
by new light incould anything have been more embarrassing?
you could be at the door of the least popular munger in school, but overwhelmed with envy because, hey, at least he was doing something normal.
in 8th grade, at the peak of childhood self-consciousness, i knocked on the door of a super popular, rich, "in" kid from my class and he answered the door.
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Layla33
I love this topic, these type of types are the reason I enjoy posting here, to vent and discuss things you went through growing up in this religion.
Besides have a great fear of dogs when I was young, I remember during my 8th grade out twice where I saw classmates. One time it was early summer, school was still in session and our territory was right in the area of my school, I think I must have knocked on four people I went to school with, each time I was more horrified than the next. I tried to be detached, but it was hard memorizing the sermon in the first place and then talking to friends and people I rode the school bus with was even harder.
The one time that sticks out in my mind was working on a Saturday morning and I knock on the door of my "best friend" from school. She opened the door and I was shocked and I do mean shocked, I didn't say anything for about a minute and then I just said, "do you want to read these magazines?" and she was so nice and took them and then we talked about school and such. I was out with my step-mother who didn't make a big deal about it. But I remember walking from her house thinking, "one day, I won't have to do this".
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Do You Believe in Sanctuary Cities?
by sammielee24 insan francisco is just one of many sanctuary cities in this country.
as a permanent residence to the usa having had to go through immigration meetings, medical tests, means tests and a pretty good dose of fear - it bothers me that the same city that i had to go to for my hearing, past armed guards to prove my worth, wants illegals to come out of the woodwork and take advantage of the services the city has to offer, with a promise that they won't be rounded up or harmed in any way.
i don't seem to understand this system at all - i feel penalized somehow for doing what was right yet, i can still feel badly for those who are scared while here illegally.
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Layla33
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/the_dark_side_of_illegal_immigration.html
INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants2006 (First Quarter)
95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.
86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.
75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens. 24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally
29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually
53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.
50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.
71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or "transport coyotes".47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.
63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens
66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurancehttp://www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/release.html (Center for Immigration Study)
Among the report’s findings:
• Large-scale immigration from Mexico is a very recent phenomenon. In 1970, the Mexican immigrant population was less than 800,000, compared to nearly 8 million in 2000.
• Almost two-thirds of adult Mexican immigrants have not completed high school, compared to fewer than one in ten natives. Mexican immigrants now account for 22 percent of all high school dropouts in the labor force.
• Though most natives are more skilled and thus do not face significant job competition from Mexican immigrants, this study (consistent with previous research) indicates that the more than 10 million natives who lack a high school degree do face significant job competition from Mexican immigrants.
• By increasing the supply of unskilled labor, Mexican immigration in the 1990s has reduced the wages of workers without a high school education by an estimated 5 percent. The workers affected are already the lowest-paid, comprising a large share of the working poor and those trying to move from welfare to work.
• This reduction in wages for the unskilled has likely reduced prices for consumers by only an estimated .08 to .2 percent in the 1990s. The impact is so small because unskilled labor accounts for only a tiny fraction of total economic output.
Author Steven Camarota said of the findings, "Mexican immigration is overwhelmingly unskilled, and it is hard to make an economic argument for unskilled immigration, because it tends to reduce wages for workers who are already the lowest paid and whose real wages actually declined in the 1990s. Moreover, this cheap labor comes with a high cost. Because the modern American economy offers very limited opportunities for workers with little education, continued unskilled immigration cannot help but to significantly increase the size of the poor and uninsured populations, as well as the number of people using welfare."
Other Findings:
• Because of their much lower education levels, Mexican immigrants earn significantly less than natives on average. This results in lower average tax payments and heavier use of means-tested programs. Based on estimates developed by the National Academy of Sciences for immigrants by age and education at arrival, the lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative $55,200.
• Although they comprise 4.2 percent of the nation’s total population, Mexican immigrants and their U.S.-born children (under 18) account for 10.2 percent of all persons in poverty and 12.5 percent of those without health insurance. Even among Mexican immigrant families that have lived in United States for more than 20 years, almost all of whom are legal residents, more than half live in or near poverty and one-third are uninsured
• Even after welfare reform, an estimated 34 percent of households headed by legal Mexican immigrants and 25 percent headed by illegal Mexican immigrants used at least one major welfare program, in contrast to 15 percent of native households. Mexican immigrants who have lived in the United States for more than 20 years, almost all of whom are legal residents, still have double the welfare use rate of natives.
• Mexican immigration acts as a subsidy to businesses that employ unskilled workers, holding down labor costs while taxpayers pick up the costs of providing services to a much larger poor and low-income population.
• The lower educational attainment of Mexican immigrants appears to persist across the generations. The high school dropout rates of native-born Mexican-Americans (both second and third generation) are two and a half times that of other natives.
Policy Recommendations:
The United States needs to consider programs designed to improve the labor market skills of legal Mexican immigrants. It is also absolutely essential that more effort be made to improve educational opportunities for their children so that they will have the skills necessary to compete in the modern American economy. In the future, the United States should also consider policies designed to reduce unskilled legal immigration in general, including from Mexico. Greater resources should also be devoted to stopping illegal immigration, including enforcement of the ban on hiring illegal aliens.
Guestworker programs are unlikely to solve the problems found in the study. By increasing the supply of unskilled labor, a guestworker program would still adversely effect the wages of the lowest-paid American workers. What’s more, unskilled guestworkers would be overwhelmingly poor or near-poor and thus would pay little in taxes and be likely to receive welfare on behalf of their U.S.-born children, just as many illegal immigrants do today. As a result, a guestworker program would almost certainly create significant fiscal costs. Thus, legalizing illegal aliens -- through a guestworker program, an amnesty, or some combination of the two -- would not change the fundamental problems associated with high levels of unskilled immigration.
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Do You Believe in Sanctuary Cities?
by sammielee24 insan francisco is just one of many sanctuary cities in this country.
as a permanent residence to the usa having had to go through immigration meetings, medical tests, means tests and a pretty good dose of fear - it bothers me that the same city that i had to go to for my hearing, past armed guards to prove my worth, wants illegals to come out of the woodwork and take advantage of the services the city has to offer, with a promise that they won't be rounded up or harmed in any way.
i don't seem to understand this system at all - i feel penalized somehow for doing what was right yet, i can still feel badly for those who are scared while here illegally.
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Layla33
Okay, I have also worked in social services and with a anchor child, they can in fact get lots of social services, up to and including welfare of every sort. And we are strictly talking about illegal immigrants here, not legal ones.
Here's some stats, links, peace to you, although I am not a SLAVE to anyone.
1) Calculating the Cost of amnesty Heritage Foundation is projecting that it will cost U.S. taxpayersan estimated $2.4 TRILLION dollars to covert the retirement costsof illegal aliens who get amnesty under this new bill. But that's just the beginning. Each year, low-skilled illegalalien households cost our society about $20,000. That's becausel ow-skilled immigrant households consume 3 dollars in governmentservices for every 1 dollar they pay in taxes (2004 -- received$30,160 in govt benefits and paid just $10,573 in taxes). Add together the annual costs, the retirement costs and the unknowncosts of implementing the amnesty program and rest assured the totalcost to U.S. taxpayers will be multiple trillions of dollars! Senators like Teddy Kennedy love to spend our money. In fact, theydon't even bother to stop and estimate how much of our taxes theyare spending! 2. Sen. Vitter proposes amendment to strip amnesty provisions Sen. David Vitter has offered an amendment that would strip all ofthe "Z-Amnesty" provisions from the bill. Last year, he offered asimilar bill that was defeated. Although we expect this amendmentwill also be defeated, it will help us see which senators trulyoppose amnesty.
2) Cristobal Silverio emigrated illegally from Mexico to Stockton, Calif., in 1997 to work as a fruit picker.
He brought with him his wife, Felipa, and three children, 19, 12 and 8 – all illegals. When Felipa gave birth to her fourth child, daughter Flor, the family had what is referred to as an "anchor baby" – an American citizen by birth who provided the entire Silverio clan a ticket to remain in the U.S. permanently.
But Flor was born premature, spent three months in the neonatal incubator and cost the San Joaquin Hospital more than $300,000. Meanwhile, oldest daughter Lourdes married an illegal alien gave birth to a daughter, too. Her name is Esmeralda. And Felipa had yet another child, Cristian.
The two Silverio anchor babies generate $1,000 per month in public welfare funding for the family. Flor gets $600 a month for asthma. Healthy Cristian gets $400. While the Silverios earned $18,000 last year picking fruit, they picked up another $12,000 for their two "anchor babies."
While President Bush says the U.S. needs more "cheap labor" from south of the border to do jobs Americans aren't willing to do, the case of the Silverios shows there are indeed uncalculated costs involved in the importation of such labor – public support and uninsured medical costs.
In fact, the increasing number of illegal aliens coming into the United States is forcing the closure of hospitals, spreading previously vanquished diseases and threatening to destroy America's prized health-care system, says a report in the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.
"The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences," writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report. "We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen."
According to her study, 84 California hospitals are closing their doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system.
"Anchor babies," the author writes, "born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income."
In addition, the report says, "many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease."
While politicians often mention there are 43 million without health insurance in this country, the report estimates that at least 25 percent of those are illegal immigrants. The figure could be as high as 50 percent.
Not being insured does not mean they don't get medical care.
Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985, hospitals are obligated to treat the uninsured without reimbursement.
"Government imposes viciously stiff fines and penalties on any physician and any hospital refusing to treat any patient that a zealous prosecutor deems an emergency patient, even though the hospital or physician screened and declared the patient's illness or injury non-emergency," says the report. "But government pays neither hospital nor physician for treatments. In addition to the fiscal attack on medical facilities and personnel, EMTALA is a handy truncheon with which to pummel politically unpopular physicians by falsely accusing them of violating EMTALA."
According to the report, between 1993 and 2003, 60 California hospitals closed because half their services became unpaid. Another 24 California hospitals verge on closure, the author writes.
"American hospitals welcome 'anchor babies,'" says the report. "Illegal alien women come to the hospital in labor and drop their little anchors, each of whom pulls its illegal alien mother, father, and siblings into permanent residency simply by being born within our borders. Anchor babies are citizens, and instantly qualify for public welfare aid: Between 300,000 and 350,000 anchor babies annually become citizens because of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."
Among the organizations directing illegal aliens into America's medical systems, according to the report, are the Ford Foundation-funded Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund, the National Immigration Law Center, the American Immigration Lawyers Association, the American Bar Association's Commission on Immigration Policy, Practice, and Pro Bono, the Immigrant Legal Resource Center, the National Council of La Raza, George Soros's Open Society Institute, the Migration Policy Institute, the National Network for Immigration and Refugee Rights and the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Because drug addiction and alcoholism are classified as diseases and disabilities, the fiscal toll on the health-care system rises.
When Linda Torres was arrested in Bakersfield, Calif., with about $8,500 in small bills in a sack, the police originally thought it was stolen money, explained the report. It was her Social Security lump sum for her disability -- heroin addiction.
"Today, legal immigrants must demonstrate that they are free of communicable diseases and drug addiction to qualify for lawful permanent residency green cards," writes Cosman, a medical lawyer, who formerly taught medical students at the City University of New York. "Illegal aliens simply cross our borders medically unexamined, hiding in their bodies any number of communicable diseases."
Many illegals entering this country have tuberculosis, according to the report.
"That disease had largely disappeared from America, thanks to excellent hygiene and powerful modern drugs such as isoniazid and rifampin," says the report. "TB's swift, deadly return now is lethal for about 60 percent of those infected because of new Multi-Drug Resistant Tuberculosis. Until recently MDR-TB was endemic to Mexico. This Mycobacterium tuberculosis is resistant to at least two major anti-tubercular drugs. Ordinary TB usually is cured in six months with four drugs that cost about $2,000. MDR-TB takes 24 months with many expensive drugs that cost around $250,000 with toxic side effects. Each illegal with MDR-TB coughs and infects 10 to 30 people, who will not show symptoms immediately. Latent disease explodes later.
TB was virtually absent in Virginia until in 2002, when it spiked a 17 percent increase, but Prince William County, just south of Washington, D.C., had a much larger rise of 188 percent. Public health officials blamed immigrants. In 2001 the Indiana School of Medicine studied an outbreak of MDR-TB, and traced it to Mexican illegal aliens. The Queens, New York, health department attributed 81 percent of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ascribed 42 percent of all new TB cases to 'foreign born' people who have up to eight times higher incidences apparently, 66 percent of all TB cases coming to America originate in Mexico, the Philippines and Vietnam."
Other health threats from illegals include, according to the report:
Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or "kissing bug disease," is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it carries, Trypanosoma cruzi, infects 18 million people annually in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. The disease also infiltrates America's blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected.
Chagas disease, also called American trypanosomiasis or "kissing bug disease," is transmitted by the reduviid bug, which prefers to bite the lips and face. The protozoan parasite that it carries, Trypanosoma cruzi, infects 18 million people annually in Latin America and causes 50,000 deaths. The disease also infiltrates America's blood supply. Chagas affects blood transfusions and transplanted organs. No cure exists. Hundreds of blood recipients may be silently infected. Leprosy, also known as Hansen's disease, was so rare in America that in 40 years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy. Leprosy now is endemic to northeastern states because illegal aliens and other immigrants brought leprosy from India, Brazil, the Caribbean and Mexico. Dengue fever is exceptionally rare in America, though common in Ecuador, Peru, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh, Malaysia and Mexico. Recently, according to the report, there was a virulent outbreak of dengue fever in Webb County, Texas, which borders Mexico. Though dengue is usually not a fatal disease, dengue hemorrhagic fever routinely kills. Polio was eradicated from America, but now reappears in illegal immigrants as do intestinal parasites, says the report. Malaria was obliterated, but now is re-emerging in Texas.
The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons report includes a strong prescription for protecting the health of Americans:
Closing America's borders with fences, high-tech security devices and troops. Rescinding the U.S. citizenship of "anchor babies." Punishing the aiding and abetting of illegal aliens as a crime. An end to amnesty programs. -
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Do You Believe in Sanctuary Cities?
by sammielee24 insan francisco is just one of many sanctuary cities in this country.
as a permanent residence to the usa having had to go through immigration meetings, medical tests, means tests and a pretty good dose of fear - it bothers me that the same city that i had to go to for my hearing, past armed guards to prove my worth, wants illegals to come out of the woodwork and take advantage of the services the city has to offer, with a promise that they won't be rounded up or harmed in any way.
i don't seem to understand this system at all - i feel penalized somehow for doing what was right yet, i can still feel badly for those who are scared while here illegally.
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Layla33
No I do not and I will tell you why. Two of my closest friends and former husband were legal immigrants to this country, they paid thousands of dollars went through tests, etc to come here legally, should anyone be able to just come in a country scout free without any checks whatsoever? Can I tell you a former friend of mine that had a stint in a mental hospital to deal with her identity being stolen by an illegal immigrant (Mexican)? How many illegal immigrants steal identities of American citizens? How many crimes do they commit on a regular basis to live here. And I am sorry, I have come across some very racist and hateful Mexicans that make the KKK and the Nation of Islam look like play school compared to them.
Not committing crimes, not using social services, not causing hospitals to close, not filling up our prisons?? Are you serious? That is about the most incorrect statement I have ever read. Now I have Mexican-American friends, as well as friends from Brazil, El Salavador and Guatamela and they all legally came here, what I do not approve of is those that thumb their noses against the law, but I blame the government most of all for making them the new slave class.
I believe we should not have sanctuary cities, and that we should jail all employers that are giving these people's job.
I came across this stat:
1. $11 billion to $22 billion is spend on welfare to illegal aliens each year.
2. $2.2 billion a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
3. $2.5 billion a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
4. $12 billion a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English.
5. $17 billion a year is spent for education for American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. 6. $3 million a day is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
6. 30 percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.
7. $90 billion a year is spent of illegal aliens for welfare and social services by American taxpayers.
8. $200 billion a year in suppressed American wages are caused by illegal aliens.
9. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s 2 1/2 times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the U.S.
10. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 million illegal aliens that crossed our southern border, also as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U.S. from the southern border.
11. The National Policy Institute, “estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 to $46 billion annually over a five-year period.
12. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 billion in remittances back to their countries of origin.
So using the lowest estimates, the annual cost of illegal aliens is $338.3 billion a year. So if deporting them costs between $206 and $230 billion, what do you think we should do? -
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Do you change your mind easily?
by nicolaou inas ex-jw's we've all cleary changed our minds about what 'the truth' is but do you think you could make another big change like that again?
i honestly cannot see myself changing my mind about the non-existence of god and the supernatural - but hey, i was just as dogmatic in my jw days that those things were real!
i guess anything is possible but it feels as though with every passing year my options for change are reduced.
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Layla33
Yes.
I mean, No.
I mean yes, YES!
On second thought, NO.
A little humor to pass the time. I will be here all night.
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Stay or leave your spouse after leaving JWs - Do you have regrets?
by Awakened at Gilead ini am in a situation that many of you have faced... whether to stay with my spouse or not after having learned the falsehood of the org.. my wife is diehard witness who gets upset whenever i talk about the org negatively.
she is not happy that i am on jwd... in fact the other day she picked up the keyboard and wanted to throw it accros the room or bash me with it when she saw i was on jwd... she is also very upset about me making friends with "apostates" and worldly people, and told me never to bring them to our home!
this concerns me, since i am not going to have any friends in the org, and i need at least a few friendships...she doesn't want me to talk to the friends in the cong about my decision so that i don't share my doubts.
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Layla33
She is not happy that I am on JWD... in fact the other day she picked up the keyboard and wanted to throw it accros the room or bash me with it when she saw I was on JWD
The statement I have highlighted in red concerns me a great deal. That's abuse and the threat of bodily harm and I am sorry there is no excuse religious or not for a woman to threaten a man or do something like that to a man. That's not healthy, and no matter what else, you need to think long and hard about being with a person like that.
There is an under-reporting of female to male spousal abuse, if I were you, I would keep a documented account of every time you had a confrontion like that and what was said.
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Clinging to power or saving mankind?
by Philippus79 indear sons of adam who are also sons of abraham, .
we have a warring as paul said between our flesh and our spirit.
our flesh is animalistic it wants to control to dominate to compete to build a vast empire with loads of subjects within it.
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Layla33
I am just responding because I see you live in Amsterdam in the same place as my former in-laws.
Hallo!
As for everything else you wrote, I disagree.
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Born in or Converted to JW? What are the stats here? and why....
by oompa incan't everyone just put this one item on their profile before posting.
it seems like most posters have no profile, but this info could help in several ways.
i am just guessing, but it seems like more here were born in.....your thoughts on this?......oompa.
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Layla33
I was just thinking about this the other day, when I was young and in it, I felt like it was bragging rights to say my grandparents and parents were in it. I remember looking down in that obnoxious JW way on those that came in through conversion. Now, I realize that it was actually the other way around or not even that one or the other was better. I just knew I didn't have a choice in the matter and whenever anyone in my family ever dares to bring this topic up for any length of time, I always say "I never got the chance to make my own decisions on what to believe" and I think I deserve the same chance to figure out the world on my own terms as anyone else...
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Duzzent enybody pruf reed thair thred topiks?
by Gregor init is almost like reading code.
seems like more errors than one sees in regular responses.
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Layla33
I have noted that poor spelling, grammar, punctuation, etc. are just a casualty of the internet. Any forum or message board I've seen rates about the same as JWD. Perhaps a forum for Harvard English proffessors might differ?
I hate to see mispelled words and such - especially mine, but I am never just on this board/forum, even when I post, I am doing two and three different things (I multi-task well) and normally I am typing very fast. I know other people are normally doing the same, although as humans, I am sure we cringe at others like we do ourselves, but I get over it.