Posts by Layla33

This matter of undocumented immigrants, does it matter to some of us because they are here illegally or because they are "brown" and of a different culture? Europe is a pretty decent place to live and many Europeans don't want to come to america to clean motel rooms, toilets, and change beds - not to mention every other job these undocumented workers are willing to do. We need to accept this fact, that legal or illegal, it's not going to be Europeans picking strawberries here for us.
"They" are going to be here legally or illegally. Once they are forced to obtain proper documentation, then what excuse are we going to use to send them back? Do you really want them to have "papers"? Many with proper documentation will not wish to return back home as most with no documents now wish to do.
lalliv01

I could care less of their color or skin, my ex husband was a legal immigrant, one of my best friends is a legal immigrant, in fact I was at her citizenship ceremony. And she is a Sunni Muslim to boot.

I will not agree with creating a slave class, it is using people, making them live like second class citizens and sending rheotric to the rest of the country, that we need to not give these people insurance, we need to use these people, not pay them minimum wage, it's disgusting to me. We harbor people who could have any number of disease, criminal records that put us at risk and play with their running from their own country for whatever reason, we don't need to have these people here to do this work, unskilled american citizens have been doing this work for over a hundred years.

And while illegal immigration in small portions happen, we should not been embracing up to 20 million from one country coming here, that's an invasion and what really bothers me is not just that is a federal crime, but that the real culprit - their own country is not being held accountable to make its way of life livable for its citizens.

I don't agree with religious organizations getting involved and abetting illegal activities of any kind.

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Copy of New Bookstudy Arrangement Letter

by grassyknoll07 in

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this site has a copy of the letter.

it's in spanish.

http://www.extj.com/foro/view_topic.php?id=3679&forum_id=1

Layla33

Alright, English speakers, I am sure there is someone that can do the same. :-)

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If a JW girl falls pregnant to a 'worldly person'...before marriage??

by Lantana in

i've had many encounters with jw's throughout the years and i've found them to be decent, caring people.

i've attending meetings, read a number of awake!

and watchtower publications and so on and so forth.. the book 'crisis of conscious' by ray franz was really eye-opening for me and served as a strong warning for those about to enter the organisation...its easy to fill in the blanks from there -- i never became a jw.

Layla33

I agree that it depends on the congregation and what the JW girl says about the worldly man and her pregnancy. I know of a good deal of females I grew up with that were baptized and unbaptized that were pregnant by worldly boys, the majority were disfellowshipped, but I can think of two who were privately reprooved. It depends.

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Indigo Children

by feenx in

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what you think, what do you know, how do you feel about indigo children?

Layla33

someone i know insisted her child was an indigo , i could have thought of many other ways of describing the obnoxious little brat but indigo certainly wasnt one of them

That was hilarious! LOL

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Illegal Immigrants in Congregations

by joelbear69 in

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on a recent trip home to valdosta ga, my father stated that 1/2 of the local .

spanish congregation were illegal immigrants.

a friend this morning whose mother is a witness has heard similar things .

Layla33

Should they be turning in speeders as well, how about people that park in handicapped spots illegally. Being here illegally is a not a felony, it is not even a misdemeanor. I don't know of any church that checks on people's citizenship status before they are allowed to enter. even limiting their roles in the congregation is going too far as far as i am concerned.

Sorry that is simply not true:

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:
Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.

"Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or
* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or
* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

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What happens when you help someone who has entered a country without any checks whatsoever, that person could be a rapist, a child molester or on the run in his or her own country, therefore by harboring someone that has committed a crime for illegally occupying a country they refuse to enter legally, but you enabling someone who may have a varied criminal past. It is wrong and it is not a low level crime.

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What was your saddest day as a JW?

by jambon1 in

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i had many days like this but i will never forget the time that a 'prominent elder' publicaly declared that he wants to see the worldly people die at armaggeddon.

"i hope that i can look out the window & watch it all happening".

i went home and thought; 'wtf am i a part of here'?

Layla33

The day I realized I just couldn't listen to another endless repetititve "talk". I realized it was a lie and if I stayed I would not be free.

The saddest day was also my most freeing day.

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Need your support now more than ever

by tooktheredpill in

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hello guys!.

as you know, my wife woke up about a month and a half ago.

recently, by "mistake", we talked with her mother, (a hard-core believer) some details that we shouldn't at this moment.

Layla33

Wow, when parents get involved and turn you in to the "brothers" it never ceases to amaze me. No one can convince me this isn't a cult.

It's like Nazi Germany or something.

My thoughts and well wishes are with you. Stay strong.

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What will you do when the Great Tribulation Begins?

by Malkiel in

i've always wanted to ask this question to those that have decided to leave the organization.. what will you do when the great tribulation begins?.

right now folks, a lot is happening in the political world.. gordon brown (prime miniter of england) last week gave a speech to the un stating that it is time for the un to step in and solve the world's problems, (specifically mentioning the economy and hunger crisis worldwide.).

barrack obama is shaping up to be the next president, a fellow who sure knows how to persuade and lead great crowds.

Layla33

My point, exactly!
Jesus DID know what He was talking about!
Since He stated in John 5:37 and John 6:46 that none had seen the Father, then who walked, talked, and ate with Abraham?
The Bible's answer: It was JEHOVAH.
Yet, if no one has seen the Father, ergo, the Father can't be JEHOVAH.
It took me a long while to accept this, also.
Sylvia

I hate to bring this up, but you do realize that "Jesus" didn't in fact say any of that. You do realize that everything that you are attributing to what Jesus said was written up to a hundred years later after his supposed life?

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When You Were a JWD Newbie - Were You Shown a Warm Welcome ?

by flipper in

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one thing we all have in common - everybody who started posting on jwd , were all " new " posters in the beginning on this board.

so take yourself back in time for a minute - how were you received here ?

did people welcome you warmly ?

Layla33

Yes, flipper you were really nice, as well as a few others. I was a lurker for a bit, and then I promptly forgot about this place and just reconnected to deal with the pain of losing a loved one and going back to the KH after many many years.

It is like real life, some people you mesh with, some you don't, but you can learn from all. Most people here are friendly, but honestly there are so many people here, it's hard to keep track of them.