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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

by nicolaou in

80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!

JWdaughter

Most blood issues never make the papers. So, we hear about children and we hear about those who have not made clear blood directives or those who are mentally incompetent to make their own decision or those whose families object to their choice to reject blood remedies.

On the other hand: Another thing to figure in is that in the first world countries, if one makes it to the hospital, then blood may be an issue, but for much of the rest of the world, a hospital or doctor is pretty much a luxury that few can afford and JWs join in with the non JWs in the medical neglect-they simply don't have the kind of accesss that we take for granted. They are gonna die whether or not they are a JW.

As one pointed out before, even the smallest estimate is a travesty simply because it is unneccessary. Time itself is our enemy in the game of life, why give death an edge?

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My experience

by ZuluTime in

just wanted to introduce myself.

i've made a few comments here and there on the lovely jwn i started to wake up to ttatt this year.

basically, i'm a born in jw and was baptized at 16. lived a double life until i wa 25 and beat myself up about it constantly.

JWdaughter

WELCOME!

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A House Divided Against Itself Falls-Luke 11:17

by Stand for Pure Worship in

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that text reminds me of one of a handful of problems peculiar to the ex-jw community.

second only to the wild beast's internal divisions, is the divided makeup of the ex-jw populace.

you know the one thing that indicates jehovah's blessing upon the worldwide association of kingdom proclaimers, is not only the continued success of the preaching work, but along with it the unity and love amongst the brothers and sisters.

JWdaughter

This is a website for people interested in a religious movement. It is NOT a religious movement or a movement of any kind. It is a DISCUSSION forum where we are free to discuss, rather than a WT study where we are not free to actually ask any questions, let alone truly study on a given topic.

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OTWO, Careers and Life Changes

by laverite in

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otwo, .

i keep thinking that after you retire from your current field (it's fire fighting, i think?

), you will still be very young and able to have a full second career.

JWdaughter

I think literally saving people's lives while risking your own has a lot of intrinsic and extrinsic value. That's enough giving for any lifetime. See you on the beach!

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An Elder Reads CoC !!

by TTATTelder in

i have recently joined the site.

i was just appointed an elder this summer.

i started discovering the ttatt (the truth about the truth) last year after putting a few things together myself concerning the leadership and then doing some research online.. i really enjoyed jwfacts.com, jwsurvey, and others.

JWdaughter

WELCOME! I left around the same time as Ray did and while I read the book many years later, I still so appreciated it-the attitude that he wrote with should be a lesson to us all. He was simple and straightforward and I appreciate that he wasn't using wishy-washy manipulative verbiage and such. After all those years in the WT, you'd think it would have been nonstop, but nope, he just said what needed to be said with no excess of drama or emotion.

I am so happy you know the truth now. I am going to have to see what all the rapture business is that I have been seeing. I try to stay out of the WT nonsense these days, but it is good to know ones enemy, right?

Take care!

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South Park does a whole skit on jeHovahs Witnesses

by Praise YaHuWaH in

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watchin the season premier of south park, something i don't normally do but just happened to catch and glad i did.

they totally had two jw women go to one of the characters "butters" house and gave him a magazine about some sort of destruction scene that was on the cover representing armageddon.

yet again showing that the ancient pagen name of hovah they worship really does live up to the name defined as ruin according to strongs 1943. wife and i laughed our butts off... even the world knows how the "wbtsociety" is so fear focused on destruction rather than the real love that our savior said should be our true walk and focus... .

JWdaughter

That was my first South Park episode. I didn't know they could talk like that on TV-is it on a cable channel or ??

Excuse my cluelessness, I don't watch tv anymore and the tv I did watch was pretty much Alton Brown on the Food Network:)

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Due to Oct 5th WT Biz Meet all meetings for that week are cancelled

by illoowy in

i was informed that due to oct 5th wt biz meet all meetings for that week are cancelled,.

i asked if the mid week meeting was also and was told yes, because of the assembly.. it seems there's an overload of theocratic alternative banqueting feasts available so.

that the regular menu at the kh is not necessary for that week.

JWdaughter

Well, I was always happy. You can start counting!

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JW Wife complications

by manda63 in

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hi, my wife became a jw about 25 years ago and at the time while it all sounded crazy to me but i could see not wrong and have no problem with people having a religion , it started to become apparent that her choice of religion was almost cult like with all the controls in place.

we no longer have a social life together as she will only be with clan members not wordly people and i have stopped going round to her friends houses for get togethers becouse i am sick to death of being questioned and mocked about my beliefs,hearing other religion being called so harsh,wordly people being talked about as if scum and all the other haughty talk.

i am not allowed any material in the house that might be apostate,satanic?

JWdaughter

My parents had a mixed marriage. We did not have a lot of social activities with JWs when I was young, but I think that was more about my mom than it was my dad. My JW mom isn't stupid and I don't think she wanted JWs to annoy my dad. They had a very good relationship and he adored her and she him. After he died she went into deep depression and then turned more social with JW ladies and service (she hates service but does her duty).

We did do a lot of things with our family. Some of hers were JW, none of dad's were. They had mixed groups for camping, hunting, fishing. I credit my dad for any normal childhood that I got outside of the congregation socially, but my mom was still a good mom for the most part. They did respect each others boundaries and there clearly were some, although they weren't spelled out to me. I know that at the end my dad got blood transfusions and my mom authorized them. They were never meant to save him, only to strengthen him from what I understood (cancer).

I would suggest that you encourage her to socialize outside of the org and that you even go with her sometimes. If they get hateful or condescending towards him (some will, many won't), she will be forced to go along or defend you. You being a good guy, she will have to defend you-even if internally-asking how you could be so hated by Jehovah?

My dad was the epitiome of good, decent, hardworking family man. No religion, but a good man with common sense and strong American ethics. That alone gives the JW spouse pause to consider the black/white nature of WT teachings and ideologies. My mom is still a JW, but she has admitted to me that she sees a lot of BS in the org. itself. At least it is good to know they don't have her heart and soul. I think she is just there for the socializing mostly these days, honestly. These people have been her friends for her whole life, she doesn't have any conflicting belief system and there seems to be no harm done.

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Has The Society, or Any Bro or Sis, Ever Screwed You Out Of Your Money?

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

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this thread was inspired because of 3rdgn, and her asking, on behalf of her destitute elderly widowed mom,.

for the return of her mother's "conditional loan" to the society of $20,000.00.. (this was stated today, under my thread of, "what was the effect on you of knowing hypocritical jw's?").

the society more or less yes, no, it is now our money, and you can't have it back.

JWdaughter

My non JW dad worked with a JW contractor who had a big business, looked successful, etc. The same year that he refused to pay my dad what he owed him for a couple of weeks work, he took his family on a vacation to Hawaii (wife and 3 sons). That was the one time in my life we went to a food bank.It was a hard time in the 70s for the construction business, but not for Bro Brown.

Turns out he abused his wife viciously and taught his sons to do the same, so his character was obviously flawed in a myriad of ways.

I will say OTOH that I knew a lot of good and kind JWs who would bend over backwards to do the right thing by anyone, JW or non JW.

The point of all this has been made-JWs are just as bad and just as good as the rest of the world as individuals. The issue in the congregation is that it is so easy for the bad ones to get away with it as people like my mom are loath to confront an elder who ripped them off when they are just a publisher who doesn'thave a husband in the congregation and who wouldn't rock the boat if she needed to to save her life. To some degree I imagine it happens in other churches as well, but ripping off others is institutionally condoned by an organization who is more interested in presenting a good face to the world than of being a good face in the world.

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What is happening in Mexico?

by ILoveTTATT in

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i have heard that a lot of the english congregations in mexico are shutting down... they are condensing 5 congregations into one, or in some areas even disbanding the only english congregation.

jw's who have been living in mexico for many years and probably were sheltered by being in the english congregations will now have to move to spanish congregations.... .

ilttatt.

JWdaughter

Here is the thing-Christians have for centuries been doing mission work that is based on the premise that they are going to help feed/clothe/help the natives, but what they were really doing is converting them to a life and mindset that suited them.

The WT actually no longer makes a pretense of helping folks learn language (mentioned earlier) and they are not growing in Mexico(mentioned earlier). I wonder about that last info but. . . anyway, the WT is no longer pretending to be an educational group (the way they got to have a legitimate position in the country to begin with because of govt. restrictions).

You know there are actually churches that send real mission workers to Mexico to actually (gasp!) help the communities? Job creation, work skills, building homes, libraries,churches? They bring the money, the labor, the food. They bring clothes, supplies and equipment. And they do it mostly self funded, but they aren't there to drink margaritas, they actually DO things. I only know this cause my cousins spend a month a year there and send home the pictures of the buildings. My late cousin used to do child care while her DIL taught the older ones and there was often different kinds of training or education offered to the moms .. . others set up new buildings, improved the neighborhood power supply (usually pretty rudimentary in any case).

The WT is pretty useless as a missionary organization and that they are consolodating in the expat areas is unsurprising. The most valuable real estate in Mexico is probably in expat neighborhoods.