My cousin had a court ordered BT and I think that while it did not save him, it was a relief for his parents, not a burden or sorrow that he did get it. since there was the court ordered bit (too late) they had a huge turnout to the memorial and they were the celebrities of the moment. They both left. He has since died and she has a nice boyfriend. I don't know any of their kids who is still a JW. About 11 total, so, thats pretty good!
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Ohio woman thanks lawyer for saving her life 36 years ago from Jehovah's Witnesses
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/03/ohio-woman-thanks-lawyer-who-saved-her-life-36-years-ago/1#.uqm0_ltwulp.
ohio woman thanks lawyer for saving her life 36 years ago by douglas stanglin, usa todayupdated 2012-03-27 9:29 amflorida attorney joel cohen says the e-mail he recently got from carolynn ivey "raised the hair on my neck.
" the last time she was a part of cohen's life, carolynn ivey weighed less than 2 pounds and desperately needed a lifesaving blood transfusion despite the religious objections of her parents.. cohen, then a young pensacola attorney, was tapped by the escambia county circuit court to become temporary guardian to give legal consent for the transfusions for carolynn and her twin sister, julia, the pensacola news journal reports.
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Christmas presents--"We get things all year"??
by WTWizard ini have heard that line of rubbish more times from the platform, especially around this time of year.
yet, given the number of children with few or no toys, about 90% of the time, they get little or nothing year round.
sometimes it is because of poverty, often induced because the parents are supposed to cut back on their work and pious-sneer or donate excessive amounts to the worldwide pedophile defense fund (or both).
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JWdaughter
WE had not Christmas-on the 26th or new years eve or new years day. My dad was not a JW, but he only let it go so far (thanks Dad!)
I still had that weird feeling though and it was funny to have this conversation with a Muslim friend who is upset about her children being told the Santa Clause fable and making sure they don't participate in any holiday themed parties at school (which are really pretty much winter themed at this point, anyway). I told her to lighten up. Don't tell the "all presents" lie to kids. Don't tell them the best gift is God, blah, blah blah. You know what I really missed? the good FEELINGS that people associate with Christmas-being with family, buying gifts for those in greater need, being kind, making goodies, singing songs.
I told her not to be a killjoy with her comments. I told her to remember that her kids are not stupid and not greedy for looking at all the celebratory stuff and feeling left out. I told her how to avoid that feeling-DO NICE STUFF for each other, for neighbors, for their teachers. Make them cookies or make them a thank you card or an "I love you" card/gift sometimes. Make up their own family outreach days to be extra kind/helpful/giving. All the best parts of Christmas really were not about "getting shit" it was about giving up or sacrificing for others. TRULY do that-not field service. Not just a smile. Make an outright effort and go out of your way and be inconvenienced for other people. It makes you feel GOOD. And don't make your kids stay out of all the parties. They don't have anything to do with religion anymore anyway except for valentines day (and only in name). Don't make them stay out of the singalongs (which aren't religious anymore, just thematic for season). Don't make them be the weirdos any more than the BOOK actually indicates (don't worship any other gods and don't eat pork-pretty much the only things related to holidays or school that could get them into trouble). I mostly cautioned her that the "presents all year" and "Being Muslim is the best gift" is total BS to any little child and it will make them hate their religion (even just a little) because they are going to associate YOUR lie with their knowledge of the BS. She doesn't have money to give the kids gifts any time of the year. And she doesn't have much for them. She is a hardworking single mom. My husband and I are helping out with as much as we can, and I have found this new way to help-to give those kids the good feeling days. My mom (the JW) had a traditional yearly event with us ON OUR BIRTHDAYS or thereabouts to take a day off of school and play hookey. She took us out to buy us something we needed, went to "the city" and woolworths lunch counter (back in the day!) and then to a movie. We really did think that rivaled anyone elses birthday cause we had special time with our mom. We still called BS on Christmas because we were missing the togetherness/family/dinner/goodwill/peace/charity thing.
Not everyone is Christian, but we don't have to ruin it for everyone else or even ourselves by refraining from the actual holiday. The good parts transcend religion and people need to acknowledge it, whether they are Muslim, JW, Jewish or Buddhist. Most DO and I know lots of Muslims who do. I'm going to at least two christmas parties this year so far. Donating to the shelters and the kids toy drives and I'm doing what I can for all of my little friends who could use some more joy-of any denomination:)
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I Want Your Thoughts On This: A 80 Year Old Man Lost His Wife....
by minimus inand within a month, he has been seeing a 69 year old woman who lived upstairs from him.
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the wife has been sick for a year and she passed away in october.. now, the 80 year old man is like a teenager with this woman, making out in public places with this woman and introducing her to family and friends as his new girlfriend that he "loves".. the father's family thinks this is weird and are concerned about it.. any thoughts?
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JWdaughter
Nothing wrong with it. The first Mrs. was gone and had been leaving for some time. I wouldn't be surprised if he was not getting a lot of neighborly care and concern from the lady upstairs-I know my mom has BEEN the neighbor many times. She never hooked up with a surviving spouse, but I could see how relationships could be very intense, close and personal (not sexual during the crisis) and change when the stresses are gone. 80 years old! Wow, how long a courtship would be recommended? Wait until they are ready for life, children, well established,jobs? All the reasons to "wait" are pretty much moot at 80 and 69. Life is too short. Be happy while you have some life in youl.
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I have a legal TRUST and want to change the blood option, any ideas?!
by Sittingstraight1212 inso 14 years ago we went to a lawyer, a witness and set up our trust.
now because of ttatt, i want to change it to have blood.
my husband is very witness and if i change it he needs to sign it.
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JWdaughter
Whatever else you do, you might want to register the new documents in all of the local hospitals (if they allow such things) or assign a non JW friend to have a copy of your directives (without your husbannd knowing) so that if there is any issue, they can intervene.
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No wonder most of of you guys think us jw's are idiots
by nowwhat? inas a teenager back in the 1970's i once asked the question, how can they declare peace and security if the king of the north [soviet union] is to storm with many chariots?
i got the "what kind of question is that?
" response.. then in the 1980's i said "if it wasn'nt for the 1914 generation dying off, i don't see the slightest indication that babylon the great is going to be destroyed anytime soon.
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JWdaughter
JW's are not idiots. Most of us used to BE JWs. What JWs are is lost, confused and deluded. Just wrong. We have all been wrong about a lot of things in our lives-sometimes we see it immediately, sometimes we need a little time to grasp it and some of us hang on to factually wrong ideas until the day we die.
That is just human. There are a lot of factors that make us blind/deaf/and clueless, some of them are overcome eventually, some of us are just too damaged-so that in some ways we function beautifully and at high levels, and other areas we seem learning disabled. We all have a weak spot. As most of us were at one time JWs, we have a clue as to what that place feels like.
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I have a legal TRUST and want to change the blood option, any ideas?!
by Sittingstraight1212 inso 14 years ago we went to a lawyer, a witness and set up our trust.
now because of ttatt, i want to change it to have blood.
my husband is very witness and if i change it he needs to sign it.
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JWdaughter
Please check your email!
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New Handbill Campaign
by NoRegrets inapparently the jws are doing a new handbill campaign.
they were just at my door and offered it to me with one of their heartless and scripted presentations.
the religion has just become so dumbed down.
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JWdaughter
I live in Houston. My husband had had this flat since 2008. No one who speaks Spanish has lived here since then. Our upstairs neighbors do, but they also speak English perfectly-so far as I know ALL my neighbors is perfectly capable of holding a conversation with any English speaking visitor-even a debate. The kid upstairs, Pancho, doesn't speak Spanish as well as my husband does, and Spanish is my husbands 5th language!
In any case, I don't know why they keep coming back for spanish (nearly 6 years now!) and why they don't just TALK to us-we are right here at the door. . . man, back when I was young, we understood the value of someone opening the door-if they spoke only a LITTLE English, we'd try to communicate. What's wrong with this group? Why would they not have any English literature or a spiel for people in English when they obviously speak it as well as I do (we are all native English speakers!)?????
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THE QUOTE THE WBATS DENIES MAKING OF 1975!!!
by ADJUSTMENTS inthe wtbats like to state "we never stated when the end will come" when they blatantly have:.
1969 "if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.
because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.
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JWdaughter
Where is SFPW?
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Strange things happening...
by DS211 insome strange things are happening.. 1. wife started smoking.
2. wife agreed that the whole "clean up after armageddon while growing to perfection" thing is all speculation.. 3. as i was going to the meeting tonight (i had a part and kids are sick so she stayed in) she says "do you have to go?"..
4. when i got home she says " i wanna go out and party..... hmmmmmm.
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JWdaughter
Yeah, you might want to talk to her about her intentions while letting her know you are there for HER before the org.
Also, when I was feeling neglected by ex, angry, made, crisis of faith etc-I did some stupid things that I regret. Some silly things that I am a little blushy about and some wrong things. Mid life crises can go either way, but I think havig a supportive spouse that sticks close would be the best thing. And I don't care about smoking so far as religion, but it is trashy and unhealthy and makes you stink. Help her find a safer way to rebel against the organization. Like buying lotto tickets or donating to the salvation army or joining the YMCA or something. And join, donate and scratch those tickets right along side of her, ok?
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WTS Legal department ghouls
by stillin inthe society has certainly had their share of financial setbacks, especially in the pedophile department.
the legal department must actively save face and do damage control!.
i can't help but wonder how many wts attorneys are flying around to be present at estate hearings, bequeathment hearings, probate court, reading of wills, etc.
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JWdaughter
stillin,
You are a nicer guy than I am. Or maybe you are a schmuck, but this is my thought-half of it is yours no matter what. If you predecease her and leave a a trust for her living expenses with the remainder to your children at her death, then the WT doesn't get it, your kids do and your wife, that you love and respect, is taken care of properly. Otherwise, your kids could get cut out altogether in favor of the WT and previous agreements are made to be broken (wills are frequently updated and they SHOULD be as circumstances and religions change frequently.
My mom, who was a stay at home mom, has the majority of her estate from my dad tied up in an annuity that goes to the WT when she is gone, with a small percentage(abt 20% total) to my siblings and me, equally.
She told me recently that she was upset that we kids didn't pay for her life insurance premiums a few years back when she was asking us to. At the time she was really depressed and morose and thought we wished her dead so we would inherit her money. OUr thought (3 of us who could easily have paid the premiums) was that she would get mad at us and accuse us of wanting her dead (which she already accused us of after my dad passed anyway). Or, she would hurry it along some(bad depression and she talked of death a lot) We just figured there was no amount of money worth that grief.
She kind of got over the depression, but with this latest development, I am really glad I haven't been paying premiums all these years for her to give all her life insurance to the WT organization-cause that is what she would have done, and then if we complained, she would REALLY be able to say we had only done it hoping she would die. Really, there was no way we could win with that one. I was sad about this latest development though-not because of the money per se, but my dad would just be so angry that what he had worked so hard for-his wife and then his kids-was all going to the relligious organization that he really did dislike. He was nice to JWs when he saw them, but he really had nothing to do with the org. at all. He would be so pissed. I have always maintained that it is everyones right to do what they want with their money, but this bothers me on the principle of the thing.
My mom probably has at least another 20 years barring something awful. I'd rather she went on some great vacations while she is so healthy and feels good.