I did not "defend" anything in my post above. I stated a fact. Muslims do not cover under any kind of "headship arrangement". It is not a doctrine or a teaching in Islam.
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Interesting Religious Conversation with my Daughter...
by garyneal inyesterday, my wife was getting ready for the kh and told the kids that they had to get ready too.
i figured, oh well, they're heading to the hall at least i can get the time i need to catch up on some house work and what not.
before i know it, the wife gave up and allowed the kids to stay.
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Interesting Religious Conversation with my Daughter...
by garyneal inyesterday, my wife was getting ready for the kh and told the kids that they had to get ready too.
i figured, oh well, they're heading to the hall at least i can get the time i need to catch up on some house work and what not.
before i know it, the wife gave up and allowed the kids to stay.
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JWdaughter
Just to correct a factual misunderstanding. Muslim women do not cover their faces to show respect to men-not their fathers or their husbands. In Islam, women cover their hair (and some, their faces) do so to be modest. That is the religious reason.
The idea of it being out of respect for men is a carryover from the Christian teaching of headship as regards headcoverings. That is the CHRISTIAN take on it, not the Muslim background. Muslims generally don't follow Pauline thought.
A sadder reality is that many women do it out of cultural acceptance. Some have no understanding at all religiously of why they would cover. They do so because their moms, grandma's and aunties do. Or, in limited places, they are required by law to do so. It isn't about respecting the headship of men whatsover unless they simply want to please their traditional family (men and women). So some DO cover because they want to please their family even though they don't feel like their faith as a Muslim requires them to. It is easier to cover than to converse with all their loved ones about why they don't.
In the US, there are a LOT of women who you would never know are Muslim because they do not cover publicly. They may dress more modestly than other women (or not!), but again, it is their choice. Most of my friends do not cover even their hair.
In the states, none of my friends cover their face. When I lived overseas, the face coverers were usually from very traditional bedu families, or just very rich famiies or converts. My friends who were converts were doing so out of their own conviction as they were unmarried.
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News story re: Doris Nelson. How many involved are Witnesses?
by LogCon inthere are a number of defendants being sued by the trustee.
two are jw's from vancouver lower mainland.
this b--ch started the business in vancouver and then took it to washington.. here is the list of defendants.. lls america llc, debtor.
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JWdaughter
I remember the name Dill from when I was a JW about 35 years ago. Lived in W Washington. Wonder if it is the same family? I believe the ones I am thinking of were fairly prominent since I remember the name, but I know they were not in my immediate congregation. I wonder if that is why my mom is broker than she oughta be?
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WT lawsuits - Gog of Magog - Coalition of Nations - Courts of Law - Bankruptcy
by truthseeker inwhat if the society know it only has to lose one big case to lose a whole set of cases on precedent of the first case?.
this means they will lose millions of dollars in lawsuits and settlements.
which means their financial stability is under threat.
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JWdaughter
WT lawsuits in the US are not going to mean a ripple effect across the world. Our country is the most litigious in the world. We have the most lawyers. Most of the world simply does not do things the way they are done in the states.
I doubt there will be any kind of international outcry that will affect WT operations to any degree that they can claim some international persecution on the subject.
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Name the GOOD things and NICE things about Jehovah's Witnesses
by stuckinarut2 inok, so in the interests of balance....(as it has rightly been pointed out that i am getting more bitter toward the org), can we think of any positive or nice things about jehovah's witnesses?.
just throwing this topic out there....... .
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JWdaughter
There are some nice folks in the org. Deluded, but still, they are nice.
They save a lot at Christmastime and their kids have no illusions about bunnies laying eggs on plastic grass.
They support their local coffee shops!(unless they just sit there and eat their snacks from home, but I only knew one sister who did that)
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preface question:
by mohrb inorder of operations is important, so, i'll ask a question before i make assumptions and start "fixing things.".
obviously, the site heavily encourages the viewpoint of former j-dubs and others who have disagreements with the political posturing of the wbts.
i get that, and see your points.
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JWdaughter
Here is a factor to consider. JWs have been told for well over a decade to not only avoid the internet, but to abstain from participating in any kind of JW site unless it was a WT site.
Are you, looking at a .net site really under any kind of apprehension that this is an authorized WT site? All that JW.org business hasn't clued you in? This site is OLD and it has clearly things in it inappropriate to JWs following the rules.
Scandals and coverups?
Apostafests?
Child Abuse Issues
Private Discussion and Support(!)
Adult and heated debate
and worse. . .
Bible Research and Study
What part of that is encouraged by the WT? They tell you they have more learned men than you to do the thinking for you, even. So, research? Not. Scandals? Not discussed (with approval). Private discussion of the religion or the Bible-discouraged. No independent thinking or spreading diseased ideas to the congregation! Can't admit that anything bad happens and God knows-debate is discouraged!
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Anthony Morris III... Did he really serve in Vietnam? Something doesn't quite add up...
by Calebs Airplane inborn in 1950, he apparently became a regular pioneer in 1971.. but wait.... let's just say that he enlisted (or was drafted) in 1968 at age 18.... depending on the branch of service, he would have to complete anywhere from 2 to 4 years of service.
yes, duty in hot combat zones was usually limited to 6-months at a time but you still had to serve a total of 2 to 4 years depending on the branch of service.
assuming he only served 2 years, he would have been 20 years old and discharged by 1970.... how did he get witnessed to, complete a book study, become an unbaptized publisher, get baptized and then become a regular pioneer in less than year???.
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JWdaughter
Folks could/can? join the military at age 17. My dad did. He was born with and died with the same name though. Really, these guys are running a religion that is based on outright untruths and claiming a superiority to the rest of humanity. He is part of a very corrupted organization. Whether or not he served in the military is truly not going to improve or degrade anyone's opinion of him, is it? I mean. . .really?
Parisi does look a lot like Morris, but the lady who claimed to be grand duchess Anastasia used a physical resemblance in her claims and was ultimately shown to be a fraud (although her mental health issues were such that I don't know she made fraudulent claims knowingly. I think there were others orchestrating it for their own purposes).
Morris, by any other name and whether or not a vet-is part of a douchebag organization and promotes it willingly and knowingly. If he served a term in Vietnam, then, ok. So did my uncle Mike. So what? If he isn't angling for VA benefits, I don't really care.
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ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.
(published thursday, oct 30, 2014).
thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.
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JWdaughter
I think that the WT did this knowing what would happen. Lengthy appeals and the "right" to say that they had not been allowed to testify or present their case. So, they can say that this was not a real trial, yadayadayada. Nothing was proven.
Another why----they would rather be convicted on one sided case than convicted after the facts of their perfidy was shown beyond a reasonable doubt and their own documents and files put into the court record.
Now they will try to have the whole thing overturned with prejudice.
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This really felt great.Just a little memory.
by kairos inabout two years ago after i had resigned as a ms, two elders came by to "encourage" me.. the first line of questioning was if i still believed the gb was directing the org.. i asked him "not to interrogate me".. they tried to open to a series of scriptures.. i cut them off with this tasty zinger: "i'm not interested!"..
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they have not asked to see me since.. being direct has it's advantages.. .
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JWdaughter
I think that there are a lot of people trying so hard not to make waves theocratically that they forget tht it isn't a sin or a shame to tell people that you are not interested in speaking with them. I like direct. One does not need to admit anything, simple excuse yourself from any conversation that is accusatory or an interrogatory.
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Is It Just Me??
by What Now? inwe're 2 years in to our exit from the witnesses.
we're not disfellowshipped or disassociated ... just inactive.
none of our friends speak to us anymore.
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JWdaughter
I am editing out my post. You not only got a lot of the same suggestions, but you have tried them or can't to much of a degree. Your best bet is your neighbors and neighborhood and just getting out there and meeting folks. And yes, even old ones (who might need help with their groceries or something). Just keep making connections, and you can do good and if something else comes of it, then great. If not, you did something good (excellent example for your little one)
I wish you all good things!! I know things are more of a challenge with a little one. Just keep your head up and smile at all the NON JWs you see in the grocery store. Not everyone is evangelizing you (although JWs are wrong in that many Christians DO-they just aren't keeping records and counting time and they are doing it informally without extraneous literature!)
If someone is harrassing you about your "religion" and you want to maintain good relations without playing that game, here is a line to try, "I can't talk about religious things because of deep trauma that it has caused in my family. I respect your faith and I know the Bible well. If I am ever interested in going to your church, I will sure talk to you about it, but please respect that it is not something I can go into now, it is just too painful"
Our society has a lot of people who TRY to be sensitive. If you are alcoholic or allergic or a recovering addict, most will be nice and your friend but will carefully not feed you nuts or offer you a beer or joint. We can have any kind of malady or trauma and people try to accomodate.