"This is BIG international news and Canadian pride too, as it's first sextuplets if those premies are endangered because of Watchtower dogma it will be very bad for WBTS." Excellent point, Danny and thanks for posting all the recent links. The potential tragedy of the situation aside, because of the huge publicity these sextuplets are getting, the absurd WTS blood ban is going to be put under the microscope on a national level. Imagine the editorials and pundit analyses if these babies die due to lack of a blood transfusion. This has the makings of a public image DISASTER for the WTS. My guess is both the Georgetown Bethel in Canada and Brooklyn PR departments are crapping their pants over this.....
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142Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....
by kid-A inwith the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.
possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.
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In the WT's Defence
by shadowofbathory inhi electronic cyber pixels.
occasionally these days i will log onto this forum to scan for interesting topics.
even though this is my first posting under this moniker, i am a reincarnate of a previous beast.
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kid-A
There are many Watchtower apologists that post here regularly, and if you are looking for exchanges between apologists and (the rest of us!!! lol)
just click on their names in the directory and dig up their topic histories:
Scotsman; PMJ; DefD; death_to_the_pixies; Oroborus, slimboyfat, and I'm sure others can think of other apologist poster names past and present.
edited to add: Dozy.
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Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....
by kid-A inwith the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.
possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.
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"So then IVF is a no-no?"
> I had this same thought. It seems something is going on behind the scenes here. Its almost for certain that this pregnancy involved either IVF or fertility drug treatments, and while I dont think the WTS has an "official" position on this, I can imagine they would not want the public linkage between JWs and somewhat controversial fertility treatments. I dont know if the WTS has ever published anything on fertility treatments.
I can imagine an infertile couple consulting the BOE for advice, it would almost certainly be against "artificial" fertility treatments and instead chastise them for "not waiting on jehoobie's paradise" for the "cure" to their infertility and to use their extra time in the field ministry instead of worrying about childbearing.
You would think they would be all for it, imagine how fast they could increase their "publisher" counts if dubs were regularly having sextuplets!! LOL....
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Watchtower getting very Defensive over blood issue publicity....
by kid-A inwith the recent birth of a jw sextuplet "litter" .
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/169562.
possible need for blood transfusions clashes with jehovah's witness belief.
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kid-A
With the recent birth of a JW sextuplet "litter" in British Colombia, much hoopla is being made in the Canadian press over the fact that the parents are JWs. In this article, the incredible "defensiveness" of the Canadian Watchtower Branch spokesperson and local elders is quite remarkable. They seem completely pissed off at the media attention and seem to be taking a new "offensive" approach to dealing with the blood issue. Note the snarky and rather rude tone of the Watchtower spokespersons comments at the end of the article:
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/169562
Possible need for blood transfusions clashes with Jehovah's Witness belief
January 10, 2007
Isabel Teotonio
Staff reporterVANCOUVER–As Canada's first sextuplets continued to fight for survival in a Vancouver hospital yesterday, questions surfaced about what medical interventions would be taken if the babies need blood transfusions, which would conflict with the faith of their parents, who are Jehovah's Witnesses.
Dr. Brian Lupton, a neonatologist who is part of the medical team caring for the siblings, would not divulge specific details about this case, but did say yesterday that many premature babies born at 25 weeks gestation do require blood transfusions.
There are several reasons for this. According to the Hospital for Sick Children's kids' health website, premature babies become anemic sooner than full-term infants because they start out with fewer red blood cells. They also lose blood from frequent blood tests.
Many premature babies become anemic before their bodies can make red blood cells, so they may need a transfusion. The smaller a premature baby is, the more likely he will need one or more blood transfusions in the first two months of life.
Citing the family's desire for privacy, Peter Cech, a spokesperson for B.C. Women's Hospital and Health Centre, would not reveal if any of the babies need transfusions, or if the parents have signed directives forbidding them.
However, Cech said, "the hospital involves the family in all decisions regarding patient care."
Dr. Timothy Rowe, head of reproductive endocrinology and infertility at the University of British Columbia, said it's "not common these days for any medical intervention to seek legal muscle to enforce it."
"Dealing with babies of this size, I think the parents' wishes would always be accepted," Rowe said.
No updated information on the babies' status was released yesterday, but during a media conference Monday night, doctors listed their condition as fair, meaning their vital signs were stable and within normal limits.
The greatest hurdles facing the four boys and two girls, each about the size of an outstretched hand and weighing around 1.8 pounds, are difficulties breathing and a greater susceptibility to infection. Long term, the babies are at risk of suffering neurological and developmental deficiencies as well as hearing and vision problems.
Yesterday, the parents, who are reportedly from the Vancouver area but whose identities have not been made public, refused to speak with reporters and asked for privacy.
According to Jehovah's Witnesses, all blood transfusions are forbidden. All Jehovah's Witnesses are expected to carry with them an Advance Medical Directive card ordering that no blood transfusions be given under any circumstances.
When entering hospitals, Jehovah's Witnesses sign forms releasing physicians and hospitals of any possible damage caused by their refusal to have transfusions.
But refusing blood does not make Jehovah's Witnesses anti-medicine, said Mark Ruge, director of public information at the Canadian headquarters for Jehovah's Witnesses.
There are many effective non-blood medical alternatives, such as non-blood volume expanders, he said, adding their beliefs are rooted in Biblical Scripture.
"Non-blood treatment is way superior in every situation and many doctors in hospitals worldwide are calling it the gold standard," Ruge said from his office in Georgetown, Ont.
"Even for young children and babies, there are alternatives – no (blood) transfusion doesn't mean you're going to die. ... To have blood is not the superior way, even though the little jingles on TV say blood gives life.
"Parents want the best for their children and so do we; we consider life very precious," said Ruge. "We love our children dearly; we're very family oriented... but there can be a public misperception."
Few details about the actual births of the sextuplets have been made public. Hospital officials will only say that one child was born Saturday around 8:30 p.m. and the other five were born Sunday morning.
Citing the family's desire for privacy, the hospital will not even confirm the sex of the babies, their birth weights, or how many physicians and nurses were involved in the delivery. Nor will officials say if the mother underwent fertility treatments, which often result in multiple births.
What surprised many was the hospital's decision to reveal the family's religion, a move that was made specifically at the request of the parents, said Cech, adding that information had already been leaked to media.
"I'm very curious about that," remarked Elder Fred Sherman of the Jehovah's Witnesses Assembly Hall in Surrey, B.C. "So what if they're Jehovah's Witnesses? What difference does it make? If they were Catholic would the hospital have said that?"
His comments were echoed by Ruge, whose office yesterday was flooded with calls.
"If a Catholic had sextuplets would people call the Vatican?" he asked, adding he found it "highly unusual" that the family requested their religion be made public.
"When there's a car crash or someone has won the lottery, do they mention religion? This isn't a religious issue."
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Apostates do you still read Watchtower literature? And if so Why do you?
by booker-t ini was just wondering how many ex-jws still read wt literature and if so why.
i have noticed alot of posters here know what the lastest wt or awake magazines are talking about and i was just wondering why do you bother to read that stuff since you left the wt?
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kid-A
I still have some mail delivered to my old home address in another city, which my mom forwards to me. Of course, she puts in the latest Asleep and CrapTowers along with the other mail. Sometimes I skim through them just for shits and giggles.....LOL..... Always a good reminder of how ridiculous it all is....
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Last days, great tribulation and the return of Christ
by S EIGHT inmy journey out began when i came across a google news report highlighting the "quotes" legal case.
although i had "questions" prior.
so that's where i am at the moment although still very "in".
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"1. Conditions on the earth during the last days worsen but the end is not yet."
Worsen relative to what? In reality, human lifespans are increasing, the quality and health of humanity is infinitely superior to even 75 years ago. Natural catastrophies are at the same or lower levels then they have been over the last several million years. Conditions are NOT worsening, but continually improving relative to the past. This "apocalyptic" mindset is pure "Watchtower".....
"2. There will be a preaching work and also a lot of false prophets."
There have always been hundreds of thousands of religions, cults, sects, prophets, madmen, shamans, holy men, etc etc. This is not new, will always be the case and has always been the case. There is no "prophetic" significance in this statement relative to the past or present.
"3. After the tribulation of those days - i.e. the days that Jesus was just talking about - i.e. the tribulation discussed in the first point, when things are just too bad to continue, Jesus returns and everyone see's him - all the tribes of the earth."
> I doubt it. But if "waiting for Godot" is what gets you through the night, good luck with that. Like the JWs, you are gonna find yourself waiting a long, long, long, time......
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Greetings
by Jehovah-1 ini am new here and interested in the speak.
i am happy.
nice to see so many gathered together here.
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"Peace to you all, and may the flu strains not hit you too hard. Bob"
>>>> TROLL "alert light" starts blinking <<<<< LOL....
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How often should the Lord's Supper be celebrated per year
by avidbiblereader ini have always had a problem with this from the scriptures, i understand the old law and replacing the passover but those laws did not apply to the new covenant and my question centers around pauls words to the 1 cor 11.
1 cor 11:17-20 .
17but, while giving these instructions, i do not commend you because it is, not for the better, but for the worse that you meet together.18for first of all, when you come together in a congregation, i hear divisions exist among you; and in some measure i believe it.19for there must also be sects among you, that the persons approved may also become manifest among you.
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kid-A
And super-size my heavenly fries!!!!
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WHY GOD CANNOT FORGIVE YOU
by Terry init is little understood by christians what a difference there is between themselves and judaism; especially on the matter of whom god forgives and why.. a christian expects to sin against many people in the course of their life, but; proudly boasts that they aren't "perfect just forgiven.
" this is wrong by judaism's ethical, moral and theologic standards.. let me explain why.. in judaism; only the person you sin against can forgive you!.
if you steal from bob; only bob (the injured party) can forgive you.
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The very notion of "divine" forgiveness is absurd in and of itself. The error of the premise stands alone and requires no dichotomous comparisons between different "brands" of the same, silly principle. What does not exist, CANNOT forgive you, and by extension, requires no penance. Here, the point ends.
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Visit my CO pages
by Carlo ini am a circuit overseer.
i have my own pages.
http://www.etsectera.com/carlo/www.dbhome.dk/carlo/co.html
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kid-A
"Nein, GermanXJW. Ich bin nicht ad1914, aber Ich weiss wer er ist."
Gesundheit! LOL....
