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  Hard Evidence of Life After Death, is there any?

  by Blueblades in

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  are you a blind believer or do you have evidence of a continued existence beyond physical death either personal in nature or from scientifically valid sources?.

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  bother_forever

  RE:funkyderek

  1,Of course an energy value can be extracted from matter! Different matererial can contain different amounts of energy value. Coal. uranium, even wood can as matter have an energy value extracted from them. In no way is there atoms plus something else, as you so coined the phrase.

  2, The cliff analogy, well you are only looking at the car. The energy is the cars rapid descent towards the earth. Or put it this way, a car will not just become a wreck. Impact, realse of energy, an effect to a cause, has to make it happen. Drop a human of a cliff, of course the body will be destroyed. Yes the matter will still exist. The energy, of the fall will cause damage, however the human has the force that makes it exist, aswell as the fall. Now quickly back to the car, yes it to is falling, like the human, bang they impact. Effect? Damage. Car, did it have any internal energy forces that are not relevent at impact? Yes, fuel, oil, etc. Could these now transfer by means of the impact to another realm? Yes. liquid fuel can ignite and become a gas. Its energy value has remained constant, but it has changed. Now back to the human, fuel? Maybe food, wont ignite though. Are we driven or functioning as a result of a complicated system, of bio-physical, neuro and physcological awareness? You may not want to answer this. I understand your argument totally. Purely on the note that nothing can become something else, that does not make sense. But as I keep saying, never say nothing is impossible. I was not offering any "hard facts" here, but I have succeeded in showing that possibilities are only limited to the individual. It is also hard to believe in a spirit realm considering we were all told that it is satanic, and the demons are constantly tryin to attack our spiritual armour. Do I belive in the world of spiritual forces? I belive the unknown is just that, I certainly wont let it stop me living life to the full now.

  By the way, I ve never thought of myself as a psuedoscientist, but I like the ring to it.

  Take it easy derek. Loved the stimuli that you ve bought.

  Forever
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  Hard Evidence of Life After Death, is there any?

  by Blueblades in

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  are you a blind believer or do you have evidence of a continued existence beyond physical death either personal in nature or from scientifically valid sources?.

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  RE: funkyderek.

  1,We are beings of matter. Yes, 99.99% of the known universe is made of atoms. Atoms are matter. Matter is a derivation of the word material. Material is substance. An atomic value can be added to a material substance. Atoms have an energy.

  2, Yes indeed the matter of the human does still exist, however the energy that drives the engine, as in a car has to be transfered. Of course the car body remains however the energy has now made the car a wreck. It is manifest by perhaps noise, and twisted metal, so if a human dies are there perhaps possibilities that even though the "matter" of a corpse still exists, the energy that drove it could in effect transfer to a plain of field that we are unable, or more importantly, as yet not been able to identify, go to.

  3,There have been many scientific breakthroughs that at one time due to ignorance, or lack of knowledge, would never have been possible. The great thing about the human mind is the ability to conseptulise(spelling please) what might be, then prove or disprove, through intellegence gained thusfar. However it is nice to think that great minds once ridiculled the idea that travel around the globe was foolhardy, or even travel in the sky was once as laughable as, well,energy transference. Have a liitle look at http://www,shiftgood1.com. Yes keep your mind open.
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  Does anyone think the WTS is actually a 'front' organization?

  by truth_about_the_truth in

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  i've been thinking about this for a little while and it appears that this is a possibility.

  although i cant say that there is solid evidence, it looks as if the clues are there:.

  - clandestine involvement with the un as an ngo.

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  To truth_about_the_truth thankyou for a fascinating insight into some of histories most infamous influences. I don't know why but it is making so much sense. i have been studying the Knights Templar and Masonary for a while now, not knowing why I have been so intriged into the systems of secrecy and occultism that they had and have set in place. And zulikai (very biblical name man, sounds like you are the seventh son, of the third father , of the tribe of danhizedek.) your right, something is going to come out eventually. Time reveals all.
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  Hard Evidence of Life After Death, is there any?

  by Blueblades in

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  are you a blind believer or do you have evidence of a continued existence beyond physical death either personal in nature or from scientifically valid sources?.

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  People that claim to see ghosts or dead people often notice that they seem to be light in colour or glowing, i know this is popular in movies too, but bear with me here, if an alternate dimension to our own were to exist could there be a transference between what we know as life and the ether of the unknown. This is hard to measure with traditional scientific measurements, sure but if we could assume that we are beings of energy(that is fact), and in relation to energy Einstien made the deduction that energy does not dissapate but rather has to make itself evident by an effect to the cause i.e the energy from an engine in a car, will upon impact with another object will transfer to other parts of the vehicle or object and be manifest in lets say, twisted metal, or sound waves. Now if a human suddenly extinguishes(dies) does the energy that he once was, vannish? Maybe, or maybe not. By looking beyond the spectrum of what is visable light we are able to see infa-red, we know that light has a very high frequency. (Light being identifed, also by Einstien, as particles, known as photons), if enormously high frequencies of light, that is to say rather than seeing in a lower frequency such as infra-red, we go up beyond white light there is a possibilty that this frequency could in effect pass through solid objects. This sounds what some people claim to see. Now holes can be picked in this, sure, we are all here because we picked holes once. You asked for solid proof of life after death, there will maybe never be any, but, there could be a possibilty that death is just a transference of energy. The important thing is to always keep your mind open.

  Forever
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  Will the Real "Great Crowd" Please Stand Up!!!

  by rockhound in

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  in doing some research on the "great crowd" or "great multitude", i found some interesting watchtower articles that brought to the fore a very thought provoking question for all jehovahs witneses.

  please follow the paper trail.. the watchtower of may 15,1995,p.20

  18 in 1935 a bright flash of light revealed that the great crowd mentioned at revelation 7:9-17 was not a secondary heavenly class.

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  bother_forever

  All i can say is I feel sorry for the next JW to call at your door. Good work!
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  My last District Convention (I hope) ... observations

  by ithinkisee in

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  so last weekend was my last district convention.

  i plan on breaking the news to my wife real soon.

  nowadays even at the meetings my blood pressure raises and my back gets all tense as i sit and listen to some of the stuff we are supposed to believe.

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  I think thats great, so funny to hear the "real" view of an assembly. I did notice though that you missed the new thought. You know the new thought that comes out each year and only a few grasp the meaning of. "Did you hear the new thought brother?". Then not so as to sound like they wern't listening to the hours of endless twoddle ill everably reply "Yes, not long now hey?". Love it, what was the new release this year aswell?

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  Flood help in reasoning book.

  by bother_forever in

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  when going door to door at a young age, the topic concerning the flood would from time to time arise, when i first encountered this topic with a "knowledgeable" householder i knew i needed fire power and fast.

  it was when opening the "reasoning on the scriptures" book that i knew i would find something to not only amaze the householder with a fact that could not be argued with, but i would re affirm my faith and be happy, etc etc.

  there was nothing, no flood heading, after pointing this out to a few bro&sis that our main weapon in the field seemed to lack some fire power in this subject i was told that it was not a neccessary subject for the society to have it in such a book.

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  When going door to door at a young age, the topic concerning the flood would from time to time arise, when i first encountered this topic with a "Knowledgeable" householder I knew i needed fire power and fast. It was when opening the "Reasoning on the scriptures" book that i knew I would find something to not only amaze the householder with a fact that could not be argued with, but i would re affirm my faith and be happy, etc etc. There was nothing, no flood heading, after pointing this out to a few bro&sis that our main weapon in the field seemed to lack some fire power in this subject i was told that it was not a neccessary subject for the society to have it in such a book. So are there any other subjects that seem to get left out of publications because the field of scientic fact or any other reason, points otherwise. (Although faith is more important I know, and science has often been found wrong and the bible correct i.e falt earth.)
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  Check It Out: Conventions Coming to Your Town

  by ezekiel3 in

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  make your "contribution" to the world-wide-work of jws.

  please, please, drop one of these in the contribution box of your district conventions and circuit assemblies.

  make a silent protest and put the wts on notice.. .

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  bother_forever

  lol at this cheque. I think they should be put in right after the...."although we own this venue bro&sis there are extensive costs that need to be covered, let us never forget that when the temple in solomons day needed to be built, so much was donated that there was an "overflow". Wouldn't we also like an "overflow"? Why yes an overflow of donations will make our hearts rejoice.{ This will then be followed by rapteous applause, a rather up beat kingdom melody that all can sing in tune, and a 20-25min closing pray by the oldest person in attendance, extolling the virtue's of giving} - cheques away!!!!
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  Why not just hide?

  by robhic in

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  after reading "running man's" excellent piece regarding cain and able the thought hit me: why not just hide from jehovah when armeggedon comes around?

  he had to ask where able was after cain killed him.

  adam and eve effectively hid from him in the garden after eating the apple.

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  bother_forever

  oh but their will be those that try to hide, and they will say "mountain cover up over us" and they shall hide in caves and run away but none shall hide from jehovah because he knows the very best hiding places in all the earth. Well maybe thats a little mis-quoted but i remember reading something like it, and i m with "lilbit" on this, who wants to live in a place full af gossiping, judgemental, backstabbing, lying self-righteous, overly zealous bunch of mindless people you could ever essemble. Thank goodness the end isnt coming. Amen
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  Suggest titles for next year's WTS books!

  by Nathan Natas in

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  kiss hank's ass with us!

  is dub-worthy, though short by fred franz' standards.

  what titles would you like to see?

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  bother_forever

  The Generation That passed Away!

  Reasoning From the Kingdom Melodies

  My Book Of Watchtower Stories

  Evil Spirits- Can They Really Scare You (PG)... contains horror.