..specifically, the suffering of animals.
you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.
i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.
The evil Yahweh god of Abraham was the same evil entity that created all organic life and suffering is what comes to my mind. Being a huge animal lover I cannot even comprehend the suffering animals go thru in nature through predation and survival in the worst of weather conditions, as well as at the hand of humans. Evil is what evil does. Now wonder Watchtower is so empty and heartless. It emulates the evil Yahweh god they worship.
Shana
the wts promotes the idea of congregations being managed by a body or elders who all follow their rules and so are in full agreement with how things should be done.. was your hall like this?.
out hall was a constant battlefield for power between a couple of elders and their families - relatives that had been promoted to various positions.
it wasn't some hidden secret, it was blatant and obvious.
The congregation I came from was not only elders and their family's displaying power and control, but it was also that these elder's families extended into neighboring congregagtions thru intermarriage and nepetism which resulted in power and control intercongregationally
Shana
ever wonder why jehovah's witnesses have almost nothing but words instead of love?.
every wonder why jw's praise their corporate leaders rather than jesus?.
every wonder why faith is only demonstrated by allowing children to die and molesters to escape, or disasters to be welcomed through obstinate demonstrations of loyalty to the org?.
Terry,
Your words are just so true. Thank you for sharing this.
Shana
i remember the first time i was hit with my loves cult personality.
knowing the real him, my jaw dropped witnessing this switch.
i thought he had lost it.
Multiple Personality Disorder or MPD is no longer the term used with this dissociative diagnosis. The current term is Dissociative Identity Disorder. There are specific criteria for this diagnosis which is usually a result of severe traumatic event to a small child dealing with abuse that is physical and sexual for a sustained period of time. Though it is a condition that can cause pain and suffering for those that suffer from it, often a survivor with a good therapy program with qualified professional and sometimes with pharmocological support of a psychiatirst, healing will occur thru the integration of these pained "personalities" back into their whole personlity. Many can and will go on to lead happy and fulfilling lives especially if they are not faced with having to deal with their abuser. I don't beleive the Jehovah cult personality is DID or Dissociative Identity Disorder. Although a DID patient can have a separate personality within the others that splits off and becomes the "JW" part, with specifc issues and triggers that can exasperate and bring out this part of them.
Shana
wow, what a surprise that was!.
i expected a warm welcome, as this was someone i have known for a very long time.. nope, uber disfellowshipped jw.
totally caught me off guard.
My son was like this when he was Df'd after leaving Bethel. All he wanted was to get back into his "community". And Frankly, as we were devout JW's at that time also, this is what we wanted too. I think his being disfellowshipped was the trigger for my own spiral downward into seeing the TTATT. It was not the main reason. But his experience through this and finally being re-instated, then the other issues over the child molestation crap is what made me open my eyes to the WT. But yes, I have known uber disfellowshipped ones who think you should shun them. One thing, though is we refused to shun our son. No matter what threats came at us from the "brothers". They wanted us to kick him out of our home, and we refused. Yep, He was our son, and this was the start of me beginning to realize how much my family needed to free ourselves from this religion. I could go on and on but, will not. Your post just brought up some memories.:)
Shana
Chris Hitchens was awesome. I used to love to listen to him. I loved his ideas. He is missed for sure.
in audacity of hope he writes: i will stand with the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
the quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of the audacity of hope.. he couildn't march in solidarity.
yesterday the "political winds shift" happened.
Village Idiot - You are quoting from a website dedicated to labeling Allen West as Right Wing. That's like WT labeling people who oppose their views as Apostates. Allen West has his own website, and though he's conservative, he is not a right wing extremist. You Obamappologists like to name anyone against Obama as "Right Wing" and that is not true. It's a label you use.
Shana
in audacity of hope he writes: i will stand with the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
the quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of the audacity of hope.. he couildn't march in solidarity.
yesterday the "political winds shift" happened.
wallowindawn, Um I think it was Sir82 that said Obama is Kenyan, not me.
Isle of Lewis, which quote are you talking about? If I was wrong about any quote I am willing to admit this.
Sir82 is the one who brought up Obama being Kenyan
Shana
in audacity of hope he writes: i will stand with the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
the quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of the audacity of hope.. he couildn't march in solidarity.
yesterday the "political winds shift" happened.
Obviously there are a lot of Obamappologists on this forum.
Obama should have the same guts the Egyptian president had when calling upon Muslims to handle the jihadist problem in their Mosques. And by the way, I watch all News programs, exept MSNBC. BBC CNN local, and yes I do like watching Fox news also. Also I read Allen West's website.http://allenbwest.com/2014/08/cultural-jihad-cair-demands-us-overhaul-law-enforcement-training/
Simon, you can say all you want " Benghazi is really old and done" but as we saw in Paris last week, it is not "really old and done" People are still being slaughtered by these Islamic Extremist Terrorists for publishing ideas and pictures that expose them and their evil acts of barbarism. Same story different stage. Obama must be somehow tied to Islam when he and the rest of his administration won't say RADICAL ISLAMISTS OR MUSLIM EXTREMISTS.
Shana
in audacity of hope he writes: i will stand with the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
the quote comes from page 261 of the paperback edition of the audacity of hope.. he couildn't march in solidarity.
yesterday the "political winds shift" happened.
Vivane, Ooh WT style DENIAL; you are clearley 100% blind to this president and his administration.
Shana
