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  Does Jehovah Intervene - JW Teaching

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have been a jw my whole life and i have never been able to get a clear answer on this question.

  jw's do not believe that jehovah will intervene if someone is sick, dying or stopping a car crash.

  they feel that jehovah is letting "this world" play out before he solves all of these problems.

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  He does when he does and doesn't when he doesn't, and who are you to question Jehovah.

  Isn't that the answer to every JW question, a yes when it is convenient and a no when it isn't?
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  New NWT deception at Genesis 8:22 to indicate earth remains forever.

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i could not find mention of this before.

  i was reading genesis 8:22 in the niv and was surprised i had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever.

  genesis 8:22 stated by god after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.. as long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

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  Wonderment, good summary. The focus of the passage is not the earth, but that may be missed by Watchtower followers.

  Neither the 1961 or 2015 NWT directly state the earth will remain forever, nor that it will perish, so the translators could content that they have not changed the meaning. The deception is that casually reading the passage will lead the reader to the incorrect conclusion the writer meant the earth will never cease to exist. The new translation is misleading, even though it could have been rewritten to be easier to read without changing the meaning. For instance:

  For as long as the earth continues, it will never cease to have seed-sowing and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, and day and night.
  
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  New NWT deception at Genesis 8:22 to indicate earth remains forever.

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i could not find mention of this before.

  i was reading genesis 8:22 in the niv and was surprised i had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever.

  genesis 8:22 stated by god after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.. as long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.

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  I could not find mention of this before.

  I was reading Genesis 8:22 in the NIV and was surprised I had never noticed that this verse gives the impression that the earth will not remain forever. Genesis 8:22 stated by God after the flood, when promising to never again destroy all living creatures.

  “As long as the earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.” - NIV

  All translations that I have checked use similar terminology, including the 1961 NWT.

  While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. - KJV

  
  For all the days the earth continues, seed sowing and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night, will never cease. - NWT 1961

  In Hebrew the first phrase is 'erets yowm - literally earth days, to show that the seasons will continue for as long as the earth remains. Terms such as "for all the days the earth continues," "while the earth remaineth," and "as long as the earth endures" give the impression that the earth will have a finite existence.
  

  The 2015 NWT has changed this verse to:

  From now on, the earth will never cease to have seed-sowing and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, and day and night.

  
This is quite deceptive, as it makes it appear that Genesis 8:22 indicates the earth will never cease. This change is to support Watchtower doctrine that the earth will remain forever, despite the passage indicating the opposite when translated correctly.

  
  
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  I made a bet...

  by Garrett in

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  2. friends

  ...with a sister.

  she says she knows an elder that can prove me wrong in everything i say about the organization.

  i bet her that he will not be able to answer my questions and if he does, that he will tell me to have faith.

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  You cannot win, because JWs have two opposing answers for every situation, along with a number of thought stopping statements, and when all else fails, change the topic.

  Anything that stumps the elder will be met with responses like;

  • "your information has come from apostates, it cannot be trusted"
  • "wait on jehovah/new light,"
  • "Satan is testing you,"
  • "Jehovah is testing you,"
  • "I will do some research and come back to you."
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  How do you overcome SHUNNING after leaving the organization and move on?

  by suavojr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it amazes me how many of you have left it all behind, including family, brothers and sisters, friends and a full network of people.

  i for one cannot find the courage to breakaway, and this causes me great anxiety and stress.

  it eats me alive to think that if i open my mouth everyone i know will simply turn their back on me.

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  You never overcome it, so to move on you need to mourned it.

  After I was disfellowshipped, I eventually recognised my family would never accept me as part of their life, and mourned as if they had died. That is an important step in order to be able to move on.
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  Elder's letter requesting details of solicitors, barristers and accountants

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there was a letter sent to elders in australia on 18th november 2015 asking for details of publishers that are solicitors, barristers and accountants.

  what would be their motive for these details?

  the rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher.

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  Here is a link kindly posted by Atlantis.

  
  http://wwwb.fileflyer.com/view/bbduxAa
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  Elder's letter requesting details of solicitors, barristers and accountants

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there was a letter sent to elders in australia on 18th november 2015 asking for details of publishers that are solicitors, barristers and accountants.

  what would be their motive for these details?

  the rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher.

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  The questions include standard personal details, secular qualifications and spiritual status. Their spiritual status regards the baptism date, level of publishing activity, and maturity of them and their family. It particular asks as to their humility and willingness to accept counsel, direction and theocratic arrangement.

  It appears they are looking for some "company men" (and women in this case) that will assist without asking too many questions, and are indoctrinated enough not to have their faith shaken by the shocking mistreatment of abused Witness children.
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  Elder's letter requesting details of solicitors, barristers and accountants

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  there was a letter sent to elders in australia on 18th november 2015 asking for details of publishers that are solicitors, barristers and accountants.

  what would be their motive for these details?

  the rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher.

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  There was a letter sent to elders in Australia on 18th November 2015 asking for details of publishers that are solicitors, barristers and accountants.

  
  

  What would be their motive for these details?

  The rest of the letter outlines 8 specific pieces of information to compile and send to Bethel's legal department, and reiterates to collect the information only be "as you understand, without consulting the publisher." Is it legal to compile a database of individuals without their knowledge?

  There is irony in Watchtower searching for educated, qualified publishers after strongly discouraging such education. They specifically request CPA's and Chartered Accountants, which require participating in ongoing courses and exams to retain that status.
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  ATT: WARNING

  by EJ257 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please be aware of everything that is happening around the world at this moment in time.

  this goes to anyone, ex-communicated, removed, serving, believer and non.

  at this point in my observations i have realized many religions/ideologies know there is some sort "end of time" or a transition into a new order of living in this earth.

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  Read some history. We are in a period more peaceful that almost any other time and with far better human rights.

  There are still a portion of the world that endures terrible suffering, but it is distasteful how unappreciative people the complainers are of what they have, since most doomsday preachers are not the ones that are even affected by these world conditions.
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  Why does the Watchtower leadership slap its own defenders in the face?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  take the case of rolf furuli.

  i don't think there has been a specific thread on the hebrew verbs u-turn in the nwt, and how the society has responded to the work of perhaps their brightest and ablest defender in their history.

  so here goes.. rolf furuli has defended jws on multiple fronts in many different settings, on issues ranging from chronology, mental health, doctrines, bible translation and the blood issue.

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  On this thread there was also mention of who comprised the new NWT translation committee. Do you know of any confirmatory evidence Jackson was involved?
  

  I have not received any confirmation that Jackson was involved, but I agree with your comment that he was mostly likely involved, and actively so. Jackson worked in Watchtower translation for decades and made a name for himself by releasing the first Tuvaluan dictionary. He was called to New York in 2003 to do translation work, and now is involved with the writing, teaching and personnel committees. As one of the most experienced translators Watchtower has, it follows he would have been key to the project.

  Considering the time involved in releasing a new edition of a Bible translation, I wonder if by 2003 plans were already in place for a new edition, and he was called to New York with a view to being involved with the translation, or alternatively if it was Jackson himself that suggested it after arriving in New York.

  Hopefully there are members on this board that were at Bethel at the time with further insight into the NWT translation committee.