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  Sophie gives even more than ice cream money to the WT

  by OrphanCrow in

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  Be Generous Toward Jehovah

  The indoctrination starts so young. It is not Jehovah, it is a corporation they are giving their money to. No wonder JW adults cannot distinguish the difference between leaving the religion and leaving Jehovah.
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  Hilarious Whatsapp message received - FIRST day after Big D

  by cognitivedizzy in

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  a hilarious stupid wa message is being circulated amongst jws in my area / country.. i had a hearty laugh at the ignorance and stupidity and brainwashed mentality, different people may express different emotions so you have been warned.

  day one after armageddon it seems ages since we last heard the gunshots and screams, today has been really quiet.

  the last few weeks have been sheer terror.

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  Very Sick!
  

  My sentiment exactly.

  It seems ages since we last heard the gunshots and screams, today has been really quiet.
  

  I used to think about having a Lamborghini Countach after Armageddon, but blocked out the thoughts of death and screams leading up to it.
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  Words omitted from a Watchtower article

  by Doug Mason in

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  a short time ago i sought information regarding a quotation in the watchtower of april 1, 2010, which did not identify the exact source of the quotation from professor oskar skarsaune.

  my interest was heightened because words had been omitted from the source.. the wts provided a copy of the original 29-page article, which is in norwegian.. here is my very unofficial personal translation of the passage from professor skarsaune's article that the watchtower is quoting.

  firstly i provide the text as it appears in the watchtower magazine, highlighting where the text has been omitted.

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  The WTS wishes to make it appear that the decisions regarding the Canon were made by their (mythical) first-century Governing Body,
  

  Exactly my point, but put more succinctly.

  The term governing body and its concept does not appear in the New Testament, yet has become the fundamental basis for explaining how first century Christians operated and the devotion of JWs to the religion now. With the latest changes in doctrine, it seems supporting the GB concept is the key motivation of the change.
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  Words omitted from a Watchtower article

  by Doug Mason in

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  a short time ago i sought information regarding a quotation in the watchtower of april 1, 2010, which did not identify the exact source of the quotation from professor oskar skarsaune.

  my interest was heightened because words had been omitted from the source.. the wts provided a copy of the original 29-page article, which is in norwegian.. here is my very unofficial personal translation of the passage from professor skarsaune's article that the watchtower is quoting.

  firstly i provide the text as it appears in the watchtower magazine, highlighting where the text has been omitted.

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  TheOldHippie6 hours ago

  "Watchtower wants followers to think that the Bible Canon was closed by the Apostles, not at some later period by the Church."

  Not quite so, is it?

  I agree with what you say, but my comment is not that Watchtower says it was closed by the Apostles, but wants people to think it was closed by the Apostles.

  To illustrate, Watchtower says Jesus is mediator for only the 144,000, but most JW's do not know this because Watchtower rarely refers to this teaching, because their doctrine is quite offensive. They are happy for JWs to misunderstand their teaching, which is why when they rarely discuss the mediator doctrine and when doing so frame it so it is very difficult to understand their teaching.

  In a similar way, Watchtower knows the Apostles did not choose the canon, so do not state that, but they like to leave that impression. IMO, the quote from OP is misquoted with little benefit to do so than to leave the impression the Apostles and/or first century Christians were responsible for deciding on the Bible Canon, rather than the "Church" at a later period. They regularly speak about the apostasy occurring after the death of the Apostles, and how John wrote the final books of the Bible, so that JW's will assume the Bible Canon was completed by John. I certainly thought that way until I left Watchtower and did research outside Watchtower publications, despite spending a lot of time going through All Scriptures Inspired.

  When Insight, Volume 1 p. 409 discusses the Canon, it states "Outside the Scriptures themselves there is evidence that, as early as 90-100 C.E., at least ten of Paul’s letters were collected together. It is certain that at an early date Christians were gathering together the inspired Christian writings." It then goes on to discuss how the Early Fathers were quoting the NT books. Again, this does not say the Canon was closed by 100, but as I read these quotes as a JW, wanting to believe God directed the Canon, I thought that is what it meant.

  
  
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  The official relationship between Jehovahs Witnessses and the Watchtower? I'm confused.

  by Joliette in

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  can anybody answer this for me?.

  whenever i tell people i'm ex jehovahs witnesses, they always assume that i'm against the jehovahs witnesses, but i am more so against the watchtower then anything.people assume that i'm anti-jehovahs witness, but now that i've done more research i've realized that its the watchtower thats more harmful then the jehovahs witnesses, even though theres a lot of jehovahs witnesses i dont like, i'm not against jehovahs witnesses as a group.. can anyone explain this to me?.

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  Refer to yourself as a former JW.
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  Unbelievable! Is this even allowed? Two elders from my hall RANDOMLY stopped by my apartment!

  by macys in

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  ok wow.

  i am really really pissed.

  i had to really hold back and bite my tongue.

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  If you are trying to be reinstated then you have a duty to impress them, so don't let that anger show. Apparently it is part of proving your repentance.
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  Has anyone any contacts in Australia specifically Jehovah Witnesses

  by tor1500 in

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  i hope i added this topic so everyone could read & comment.

  i was just thinking, since this arc thing, does anyone here know any one in australia, that knows about the arc or how it's affecting the jw's there.

  i used to go to a site that had a really nice person who is a jw, he never argued or debated, never sent back hateful comments, & he lives in australia.

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  tor1500 there seems to be a few JWs that have been awoken by the ARC and left as a result, but it is a trickle and not a flood. As usual, most JWs do not want their faith confronted, and dismiss the ARC as riddled with apostate lies.

  
  
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  Words omitted from a Watchtower article

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  a short time ago i sought information regarding a quotation in the watchtower of april 1, 2010, which did not identify the exact source of the quotation from professor oskar skarsaune.

  my interest was heightened because words had been omitted from the source.. the wts provided a copy of the original 29-page article, which is in norwegian.. here is my very unofficial personal translation of the passage from professor skarsaune's article that the watchtower is quoting.

  firstly i provide the text as it appears in the watchtower magazine, highlighting where the text has been omitted.

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  TimDrake19149 hours ago

  Reading the original, unedited quotes, I find it difficult to comprehend the reasoning behind omitting those other words. It doesn't really affect too much what he wrote, and I see no good reason for even omitting them.

  Watchtower wants followers to think that the Bible Canon was closed by the Apostles, not at some later period by the Church. Research into topic reveals that several different Bible Canons available, and it becomes obvious that the Bible in not a selection of books compiled by God's direction, but rather varied depending on the choices of men and the church over the centuries.
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  Would you have married your spouse if you weren't both JWs?

  by 3rdgen in

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  ok, i've had some wine, but i'm curious.

  objectively speaking, but for the religion, did you have enough in common with your spouse to have met and married as non believers?

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  Like The Girl Next Door I had sex before marriage and felt like I had no option but to get married. I had no idea who I was or what I wanted. Without the pressure of religious expectations I would not have married anyone when I did.
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  I asked my wife why the memorial was not on Nissan 14 in April, and why is it in March

  by goingthruthemotions in

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  the initial conversation had to do with someone who has the ability to reason for them self's.

  i than asked her.....why is the memorial in march and not in april when nissan 14 is?.

  her response..."pray to jehovah for understanding.

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  Tell her you prayed and he told you it should be in April.