Posts by jwfacts

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Behaviour in bethel are they like the jw dramas?

by purrpurr in

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what i mean is, i've discussed recently how odd the behaviour of jws is on the drama films that they show at the conventions.

i'm wondering is the reason why it's so odd because that how's the jws at bethel talk and act in real life?

is the behaviour at bethel so warped from the outside world that they actually think that their behaviour is normal?.

jwfacts

When I was at Bethel there were a few types of Bethelites.

1 - constructionites who had not pioneered and seemed very “worldly.”

2 - bethelites that were representative of your normal, “strong” JW. They had pioneered, so been active in their congregations, and often were really nice people.

3 - eccentric ones. Often so-called spiritual young brothers that would never fit in the world, and probably didn’t even fit into their congregations. The longer they stayed the stranger they got.

4 - long term Bethelites that ended up losing touch with reality after being in Bethel for decades, never worrying about earning money, paying bills, cooking for themselves or cleaning after themselves. Single brothers or couples without children, yet giving talks or writing articles on such topics.

Now the headquarters has moved out from Brooklyn they will become more insular and out of touch. At least before they could spread throughout congregations and get some interaction with people living normal lives.

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Cotton wool jws

by purrpurr in

there was a talk i heard recently given by a top bethel bro, he was complaining that the type of young jws that have been joining bethel in recent years has been totally unfit for work or even life.

he called them "cotton wool jws" as he says that the parents of these young ones have kept them so sheltered from life that by the time they are of age to strike out on their own they are completely unable to cope socially, emotionally, mentally and that they have no practical life's skills or instincts of common sense or responsibility.

he said that the brothers at bethel have to work at peeling off the layers of cotton wool these ones have come wrapped in and that often when exposed to the reality of life away from mummy they quite literally go running back home.. for once i actually agree with a brother on the platform, i've met many a young teen or young adult whose life has been one long warm bath as it were.

jwfacts

Is it worse with JWs that have been homeschooled? I imagine homeschooling must inhibit a child developing many essential skills, except with the most diligent parents, and would be interested if there is any research into this.

I did some laboring for a JW and he commented that he was surprised that I could work hard. From his experience, regular pioneers pioneered to avoid having to work.

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over 700 baptized yesterday at one convention in Africa

by dropoffyourkeylee in

there was a french language congregation this weekend in congo dr which had 44,000 in attendance and something like 730 baptized.

i'm not saying that is good or bad, just reporting the news..

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JaniceA - DRC is one of the most corrupt and crime ridden places on earth. I honestly don’t know that JW growth is the worst thing that could happen in that place.

I tend to agree. There are many places where JW values are an improvement, and learning to read is an education. Poorer countries are a drain on Watchtower assets. All in all, conversion could be seen as a positive. My concern is the long term damage that will occur to families as the children leave and are shunned.

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Signs You Would Like To See At Watchtower Convention

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think gb loesch has made some pretty bold statements that could be put in quotes with his picture attached could be a real killer!.

believe and obey only the faithful slave, don't believe any negative comment about us in the press believe only us.. google: child molestation watchtower bible and tract society, klick on wikki.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/jehovah%27s_witnesses%27_handling_of_child_sex_abuse.

jwfacts

I'd like to see a JW witnessing trolley outside the convention, with a couple of apostate books and signs on it. JW's identify apostates standing outside a convention as persecution. Maybe if apostates stood there in the same manner as JWs stand outside public places with their trolleys, it may click that apostates are not persecuting them anymore than they are persecuting the public with their message.

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Has the Governing Body ever been right?

by Jules Saturn in

i asked this question to a relative after mentioning several situations where teachings were changed or readjusted (new light) and they have two reasons.

yes, they are correct because look at how the preaching work has grown through the decades and the advancements in witnessing and the second reason was the doctrine of the trinity and how the society opposes that.

i didn’t really have a response, especially for the trinity doctrine.. does the governing body have the rejection of the trinity belief correct?.

jwfacts

Originally the Watchtower was undecided on the Trinity, with different views held by different writers. The current doctrine is simplistic and flawed. The Bible is supportive of Binitarianism, and there is logic behind the development of the Trinity. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/trinity.php discusses this towards the end of the article.

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Could the ancient Jews eat pig fractions?

by JeffT in

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the recent threads on blood fractions got me to thinking about ways to expose the absurdity of the watchtower's position on blood.

so i thought of the titular question.

would a hebrew have understood the prohibition on pork as meaning he had to avoid "major" pig fractions (ham, bacon, ribs) but "minor" pig fractions like pickled feet and fried pork rinds were ok?

jwfacts

Sisig is a Filipino dish that I love, made up of ground pig face. I think that could be considered an allowed minor fraction.

FORNICATION FRACTIONS:" I only penetrated her half way!"

Just the tip.

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The 2018 World Cup - will it stop a nasty aspect?

by The Fall Guy in

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the world cup in russia is being used to launch v.a.r.

- video assistant referee.

it will be very interesting to see if/how it affects the almost obligatory cheating offences of pulling/pushing which occur every time players are in each other's penalty area.

jwfacts

This has been used in cricket for a number of years. Not everyone likes technology changing the flow of such a traditional game, I personally think it is a great addition to the sport. It is not perfect, but over time has been refined and in general leads to fairer decisions.

In the Australia v France match, the VAR was referred to a few times. It didn't seem to slow the play. If fans see multiple replays of an infringement, it is only fair that the referee is also able to double check what happened from multiple angles.

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Born ins: did you have "near life experiences"?

by truthseeker in

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i recently watched the 90s movie fight club for the first time and heard the phrase "near life experience.".

for me, a different definition of this phrase would be someone who grew up in the truth and led a very secluded and restricted life (like me) but on rare occasions actually experienced something that was considered quite normal by most people.. growing up in "the troof" was depressing.

it was characterized by long periods of loneliness.

jwfacts

For some unknown reason, in grade 10, so about 15, I was allowed to go to the end of school party, and then go out the rest of the night with school friends, going to kids houses and hanging out in parks. My friends were getting drunk, there was porn on a video player, some kids kissing. It was one of those teenage coming of age experiences. I was friends with a few of the people in my class, but not socially, and the other kids were used to hanging out. It was so strange, looking in on an amazing world that I so wanted to be part of, just for that brief moment.

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Death's in Noah's flood

by Are you serious in

has the wt ever come out with an article that indicates how many people died during the mythical flood?

i searched on their site but couldn't find anything.

any help would be greatly appreciated.

jwfacts

I read a non-Watchtower book that indicated it would be around 1 billion people. That was based on population growth algorithms, factoring in the large size of families given in Genesis, and that people lived into their 900's.

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How to deal with struggling with the doctrines

by Dval in

this is my first post.

i'm still a jw but am inactive.

im struggling with the fact that i agree with some of the doctrines (i,e, the stance on the trinity, there is no hell) but i disagree with a lot of things (i,e, men can't have beards, women have to wear skirts).

jwfacts

If doctrine is important and the bible is inspired, wouldn't it make sense that doctrine would be clearly discussed in the bible? Yet the bible does not go into doctrine in depth. There is no section such as you would find in an encyclopedia explaining the nature of god or the state of the dead. Instead there are a range of contradictory statements, the result being 35,000 different Christian sects with a whole range of different interpretations on every doctrinal subject.