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  Now I am out, some reflections

  by menrov in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ok, i have been out (officially inactive) for over 5 years now.

  and from being frustrated during my awakening, to becoming a true bible student by analysing all doctrines and viewpoints, to being really happy to be out and at the same time, have developed a sense of disgust for the wt.

  my wife is still very much a pimi.

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  jwfacts

  JW's will mostly leave the organisation because of a personal, nasty or very unpleasant experience. In other words, only the WT can push out their people. At times, we can be lucky to be around to provide the final push or plant the first seed but in my view, the real driver for JWs to leave is the behaviors of the WT (elders, CO's, Bethel people etc). The more personal their bad experience, the more chances they will leave.
  

  Important point. Add GB to that now, with Morris giving his offensive, simple-minded talks.

  Every religion has doctrine that can be picked apart, but JWs have the highest turnover because the high control is more likely to create an environment that creates unpleasant experiences.
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  Commentary Press

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  from commentary press: "in honor of raymond & cynthia franz, the present copyright owner of crisis of conscious and in search of christian freedom is committed to further distribution of these publications.

  more details will be forthcoming.".

  http://www.commentarypress.com/.

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  jwfacts

  Narkissos, so nice to see you pop up. I can hardly express how much I have missed your posts. I have sent a PM.
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  Family is now reaping what they sowed and they don't like it.

  by Gemmel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i resigned from the jw's in my 20's over 30 years ago, i was immediately shunned by my entire family and it's remained that way with a few exceptions ever since.

  one of those exceptions was being contacted by a cousin a few years back and during that conversation i discovered that my mother had been and still was the prime mover in my complete and continuing shunning.

  i then used what contacts i had left to confirm it.

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  I agree with what you did. It is important that toxic family, including those pushed into acting that way, are shown that their behavior is not acceptable. Whilst it may be too late to fix your family, hopefully it will get the younger generations thinking.
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  Question regarding WT policy of divorce in the Philippines

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was told the other day by a philippino work colleague, that to obtain a legal divorce in the philippines is so drawn out and expensive, that it can put it beyond the reach of most people.

  most don’t even bother getting one.

  so my question is what is the situation with jw who are in reality separated /divorced but in practical terms can’t legally finalise it..

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  jwfacts

  Divorce is illegal in Philippines. The is a process to get the marriage annulled, which is what can be expensive.

  JWs are allowed to marry again, even though it is not legally recognised, if the previous marriage has ended up in separation on what is deemed by the elders to be Scriptural grounds.
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  King of The North: circular news top?

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  friends,.

  with the circular speading of my satire tread about the annual meeting on many different ways, even informal across the jw organization, i'm pretty sure that the news about russia (new king of the north) is not real.. there was a moment i thought that it was a coïncidence that incoming messages mentioned it also.. now i suppose it started all with my op, went trending through the organization (even through bethel belgium) and became a story on it's own.. this is not realy my style and i'm not proud of it.. g..

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  If it wasn’t real, it probably will become real. After observing all the online hype, Watchtower will see it as a great motivator. Between Russia’s involvement with Trump’s election and it’s attack on various Christian sects, it fits Watchtower’s agenda.

  Long term, I don’t see Russia remaining seen as a credible “world power.” Both economically and militarily, China is a bigger threat.
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  World Powers

  by Fred Franztone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  jws have a unique interpretation of the seven kings of revelation.

  they of course refer to roman rulers, but the wt believe they represent certain 'world powers'.. the problem with these world powers is how arbitrary they are, not to mention the fact that none of them truly were world powers, in fact none of them even covered the entirety of europe, and the anglo-american world power isn't even a distinct entity.. then there are all of the world powers that are left out for convenience, many of which were far bigger.

  the mongolian empire and the ottoman empire were both bigger than half of the chosen world powers, such as medo-persia.. has anyone ever taken this topic up with jws?

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  Similar to Sir82, the world powers only count those that directly affected the Israelites, with 3 being named in Daniel. Rome and the "Anglo-American" world powers went on to affect Christians. There is a vast missing gap from Zenobia to Britain. JW's don't seem to care about the 2,000 year gap from Jesus to Russell, which they dismiss as the virgins sleeping.

  I have some information touching on this at https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/blog/daniel-prophecy-history.php
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  Notes I drafted for a local JW at a cart

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in recent weeks, a grizzled old man, obviously harmless, has been engaging with a nice lady as she regularly stands by her cart displaying watchtower material.. on monday, she eagerly wanted to know what this old man thought of the book she gave him, "what does the bible really teach?".

  when this old man posed some questions, she was very keen for him to write them down.. she also promised to provide facts that earthquakes proved we are living in the last days.. anyway, to make a short story longer, the old man drafted questions and observations on the topics that were covered.. would you please criticise the stuff that this old man has drafted for his next encounter.

  any help, anything at all, is most keenly looked for.

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  Are you planning to give her that document in all its colourful glory? Quite impressive.

  Have you asked her what specifically convinced her it is the truth? You can frame it that every religious person thinks their religion is the one, what is it about JWs that convinces her. The reason I ask is because you document questions both the Bible and JW doctrine. Is it the Bible or Watchtower that you could more easily undermine?
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  Here's another subtle reverse-witnessing topic:

  by neat blue dog in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the next time a jw brings up a natural disaster or severe weather event as proof of the last days, and they preface it by reciting a fact they heard on the news like, (just for the sake of example) 'it's the worst earthquake in 70 years' or 'the worst plague in 200' years', (you get the picture), then simply reply: "oh, so that means that ____ years ago there was one that was worse, right?".

  i did this twice.

  both times got the same response:.

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  That is a good point to make.

  Media reports are generally poorly presented. Often a headline will be that “... rates are going up” without referencing the timeframe. Also it is significant if it is a reference to a number or percentage.

  By most measures, things have improved significantly over the last few centuries.
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  What Privileges do you get when you are baptized ?

  by LOLS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my husband was baptized at the recent 2018 convention in south africa ....... he was very annoyed that his non-believing wife did not attend the baptism....... but i think he received pressure from his jw father & elders as to why his wife was not attending ....... anyway ..... it's really water off my back .

  i wanted to know what privileges you get as a baptized jw man , as i saw a message from one of the elders at his cong , congratulating him on his baptism and to earning more privileges ..... what are these privileges the elder is speaking about ,,,,, .

  i don't feel like asking my husband as it just lands up in a stupid fight ..... or a long winded explanation ..... thanks .

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  Privilege is used to make people feel better about being forced to do hours a week of unpaid, menial labour. As a man he can work his way up to some new titles too

  He is now in line to be a servant - Ministerial Servant.

  Then he can progress to being an Elder or Shepherd of the Flock. These Shepherds get to spend many hours a week working for free, preparing talks and listing to people’s problems.

  The top role is to be the Slave class, which is a total misnomer, as they are anything but slaves, they are the ones that get to Lord it over everyone else.
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  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  I worked when I was at bethel, doing a few income tax returns and accounting. Earnt a couple of thousand dollars. I asked for permission from a Branch Committee member, who gave me verbal permission, provided it didn’t interfere with my Bethel work and congregation duties.