If you read the other quotes i added you will see it is said that Jesus is not your mediator. It is only 'by extension' to use a WTS phrase that you receive of these benefits.
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What would you have done?
by defd inwhat would you have done back in the 1st century when jesus came on the earthly stage and started christianity.
would you have became his follower?
how about after he left the earth and christianity began to spread by means of the apostles, would you have been involved in the many congregations that were started throughout the area?
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What would you have done?
by defd inwhat would you have done back in the 1st century when jesus came on the earthly stage and started christianity.
would you have became his follower?
how about after he left the earth and christianity began to spread by means of the apostles, would you have been involved in the many congregations that were started throughout the area?
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You are right Defd, shame the GB doesnt agree with you
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What would you have done?
by defd inwhat would you have done back in the 1st century when jesus came on the earthly stage and started christianity.
would you have became his follower?
how about after he left the earth and christianity began to spread by means of the apostles, would you have been involved in the many congregations that were started throughout the area?
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In the first century the anointed had gifts of the spirit to identify them. The GB were inspired of holy spirit and everything they wrote in the bible was correct. So they were worthy of being followed. The WTS GB have no such gifts, nor do they claim inspiration. They are therefore not being directed of God and not worthy of being followed.
defd,
the sad consequence for you as one of the Great crowd is that;
---- the NT was not written for you
Watchtower 1974 June 15 p.376
“Also, it is to the spirit-anointed Christians who will rule in that kingdom that most of the Christian Greek Scriptures is directed, including the promises of everlasting life.”
----You can not see the kingdom of god
“John 3:3-7 3 In answer Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, Unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
----You can not have a true relationship with Jesus
Watchtower 1979 November 15 p.24
“Jesus Christ in heaven is the Mediator between God and the spiritual Israelites…. Paul proceeds to say: “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men [not, all men], a man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all.”—1 Tim. 2:5, 6. …
Today, according to authentic records, there is a “great crowd” of dedicated, baptized Christians… who actively collaborate with the small remnant of spiritual Israelites. Ever since the spring of 1938 they have been invited to attend the annual memorial celebration of Christ’s death, not to partake of the memorial emblems, the unleavened bread and the red wine, but as respectful observers. … They recognize that they are not spiritual Israelites in the new covenant mediated by Jesus Christ, nor part of the “chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation.”—1 Pet. 2:9….To keep in relationship with “our Savior, God,” the “great crowd” needs to remain united with the remnant of spiritual Israelites.”
----Jesus is not your mediator
Watchtower 1979 April 1 p.31 'Questions from Readers’
“Is Jesus the 'mediator' only for anointed Christians?
...So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the “mediator” only for anointed Christians.
The Great Crowd are not members of the body of Christ, not part of the congregation (it-1 p.498), are not born again, and are not Spirit directed. Yet Romans 8:9 says; “But if anyone does not have Christ’s spirit, this one does not belong to him.” -
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Great Crowd vs. Other Sheep
by prophecor inwould someone briefly help me understand the divide that exist between the great crowd and the remnant, 144,000 who go to heaven?
what scriptural backing does the society use to justify their position that they are the only ones who are able to enjoy a covenant relationship with jesus christ, where those of the " great crowd " are only granted a relationship through extension through the 144,000?.
i've been around the truth for a large portion of my life, never really knowing this was an issue.
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In line with what Ingenuous said, the Great Crowd are the Armageddon surviving Other Sheep, hence the WT term "The Great Crowd of Other Sheep."
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Great Crowd vs. Other Sheep
by prophecor inwould someone briefly help me understand the divide that exist between the great crowd and the remnant, 144,000 who go to heaven?
what scriptural backing does the society use to justify their position that they are the only ones who are able to enjoy a covenant relationship with jesus christ, where those of the " great crowd " are only granted a relationship through extension through the 144,000?.
i've been around the truth for a large portion of my life, never really knowing this was an issue.
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In line with what Ingenuous said, the Great Crowd are the Armageddon surviving Other Sheep, hence the WT term "The Great Crowd of Other Sheep."
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What changes would WT/JW have to make for you to return?
by Smiles inwhat changes would the wt/jws need to make in order for you to consider returning to them?
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Say that they were shutting down and everyone who puts a report in gets some of the money.
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I've just been told Satan has control of my mind
by jwfacts inan old jw woman just called me for my sisters phone number.
in the usual chit chat she asked how the meeting were etc.
i said i dont go and that i dont believe it anymore.
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Maybe one day i'll join her there and we'll have a good old laugh about it all.
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remember apostates holding signs outside the convention?
by in a new york bethel minute ini remember there was one that used to go to my hall.
he would say hi to my dad and my dad would ignore him.
i know now that my father feels bad for that, but at the same time he had no choice.
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Back in about 1980 an apostate got escorted out of our KH and bent over a car bonnet. He called the police and newspaper about being assaulted. They were the good old days before the JW's realised the lawyers were more powerful than their God.
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I'm finally doing it!
by seattleniceguy inwell, it's hard to believe, but i'm finally ready to go on my world travels that i've been planning for so long.
seriously, i've been trying to get out of here since way back in my witness days, at least four or five years.
finally, i've gotten everything lined up, all the loose ends tied - i am on my way.. i leave this thursday for my first leg: 3 months in japan!
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Sounds great.
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Why do tragedies happen....
by Shining One in...the answer is in genesis.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0923rita.asp .
rex
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Shining One,
If Genesis is the reason and God really cared, why didn't he fix the problems as soon as the ransom was paid? Why has he allowed another 2000 years of needless suffering for an additional 6 plus billion people.