Posts by jwfacts

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is all religon crap?

by thesaint in

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like jw are crap is there any religon dat is atally conneced to god?.

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There are of 35,000 religious sects on earth at the moment. It makes no sense to think just one is correct, and all those people with no access to that religion cannot have a relationship with God.

Every religion is started by a person. A man, or occassionally a women, thinks they know what God wants, that they have superior knowledge of his requirement, or a special connection with him. Some write a new holy book, others re-interpret an existing holy book, but claim only their interpretation is correct. They set up a religion, and for some unknown reason, other mindless humans actually believe them.

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so happy today!!

by XstuckX in

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i'm married with small children.

my wife and i both born-in and baptized jws.

i began my slow drift about a year ago.

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That's great. I would gently raise a few innocent questions, to see where she stands doctrinally. I would be good for her to have a solid reason for not going back, so that she doesn't change her mind some time down the track.

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Did you think Dinosaurs were destroyed in the Flood?

by LoisLane looking for Superman in

in our jw bible, they placed a friendly dinosaur on the inside front cover on the old time map of the middle east.. you look at that, and see where the placement to where the garden of eden is and that was the image i got in my mind.

dinosaurs lived, but were too big to save in the flood, and besides they had outlived their purpose of fertilizing the earth.

i feel stupid for the thinking i had when i was 'in'.. is that how you 'thought' when you were 'in'?.

jwfacts

Dinosaurs lived, but were too big to save in the Flood, and besides they had outlived their purpose of fertilizing the earth. I feel stupid for the thinking I had when I was 'in'.

It shows how the mind works. We use our intelligence to come up with seemingly plausible reasons to justify the impossible things we are forced to believe.

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"You need to witness to her about Christmas"

by DS211 in

well thats what my wife said when my grandma stopped by for a visit and invited us to hang out with them christmas eve.

after she left, my wife said i needed to witness to her and remind her that we do nkt celebrate it and that it is the worst holiday to celebrate (actually halloween is lol).

i felt this wasnt the time to argue so i decided to tell her i would look into that.

jwfacts

Maybe tell her that it is not bad to spend some nice time with the Grandma. Christmas is celebrated by people of all religious backgrounds, as an important time of the year to appreciate family. JWs used to celebebrate Christmas out of respect for Jesus, as late as 1928, after Jesus inspected the Watchtower in 1919.

"Even though Christmas is not the real anniversary of our Lord's birth, but more properly the annunciation day or the date of his human begetting (Luke 1:28), nevertheless, since the celebration of our Lord's birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble particularly about the date. We may as well join with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event on the day which the majority celebrate - "Christmas day."" Zion's Watch Tower 1904 Dec 1 p.364

It is Christmas eve, and you don't have to do anything particularly religious, just spend time with family.

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The argument JW`s use for animal predators on land , what argument do they have for marine predators ?

by smiddy in

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So where does this leave the marine creatures , how are they affected by the global flood wiping out grass and vegetation

Since all the marine creatures died when the salt water and fresh water merged during the flood, the fish we have now all evolved over the last 4000 years and are part of a set of laws different than that of land animals. Or some other insane line of logic JWs are required to invent to merge their illogical belief system with reality.

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"Worship that God Approves" chapter 15

by A.proclaimer in

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this is the title of the 15th chapter in the "what does the bible really teach book".

so i have to study this book and am doing it with an elder.

after taking long breaks inbetween the study, this is the chapter that is coming up.

jwfacts

I would ask why half the world have not heard of Jesus or Jehovah, if there is only one way of worship that God approves of. The creator is powerful enough to make everyone aware of the Watchtower, if following the Faithful Slave is a requirement of worshipping God, so why do so few people have access, or knowledge of what the Watchtower teaches? Why were you so lucky to be born into the true religion, and what did Chinese, Indians, Arabians, Asians, etc do wrong that they will never meet a JW?

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Governing Body member Sam Heard at our Assembly

by problemaddict in

nice enough gentleman.

the parts were pretty watered down.

mom asks him if he is ready.....did he clean off all the dirt?

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Besty - cool clock. It would be interesting to have the population clock ticking over next to a JW clock, to show net additional people born to die at Armageddon.

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Governing Body member Sam Heard at our Assembly

by problemaddict in

nice enough gentleman.

the parts were pretty watered down.

mom asks him if he is ready.....did he clean off all the dirt?

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Come on and bring on Armaghedon!! But Jehovah sees we aren't ready and he just says "I don't want to kill all those people" (bro Heard and the entire place laugh while he says this).

It is a typical comment that gets a laugh at an assembly, but really, what a morbid, sick thing to say. Like God doesn't care about having to kill 7 billion, but he will wait another day for some random JW.

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The medical specialist told me something alarming today. Pretty bummed.

by Julia Orwell in

so i've been going to doctors for years with chronic fatigue, a condition i managed ok but which took a drastic nose dive in late 2011 to 2012 to the point where i could barely function.

work was part of the problem, so at the end of that year i left that stressful environment.

but in the meantime, for the last few years i've been going to doctors, specialists, psychiatrists and psychologists and undergoing every sort of blood test you can imagine and seeing all sorts of medical people.

jwfacts

Chronic fatigue is very common in Australia amongst Jehovah's Witnesses. Don't be too down. Now that you are out you may find you recover quicker than expected. I doubt the doctor understands just how much of a relief to your body leaving will be. You are still going through the difficult early stages, but you are almost free and it should get better from here.

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Question for apostates!

by TheStumbler in

i have a question.. the conventional wisdom seems to be that to 'convert' a jehovah's witness (or get them to see ttatt) you have to ask questions that they cannot answer and engage with their true personality not their 'cult personality'.. intellectual arguments tend to fall flat because jws (who do not already have personal doubts) believe they already know the absolute truth so anything contrary to that truth is nessecarily wrong.

any criticism of their beliefs will be seen as an attack or persecution and will be dismissed as flawed 'human thinking' or 'apostate lies'.. to 'true believers' any amount of contrary evidence and illogical inconsistencies in their beliefs can be dismissed or explained away.

their starting point is that they have special knowledge of absolute truth and all evidence and arguments are then weighed against this preconceived belief.. here is my question.

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To 'True Believers' any amount of contrary evidence and illogical inconsistencies in their beliefs can be dismissed or explained away.

That may be correct, and my mother would fall under that category. But how many are True Believers? I would say the vast majority are just hanging on, and have their doubts. A doctrinal debate will not get them to leave, but it will leave food for thought, so when a situation arises, that final emotional straw, they will already know that they doctrine are not water tight.