Posts by Bigdummy

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Don't know if I'm hearing things.

by Bigdummy in

i went to the hall with my wife on sunday.

i try to be there for my wife at some meetings.

because she is still neck deep in the beliefs and she understands my fading and doesn't.

Bigdummy

I went to the hall with my wife on Sunday. I try to be there for my wife at some meetings

because she is still neck deep in the beliefs and she understands my fading and doesn't

give me a bunch of grief about it. We have a conversation at times about what I don't be-

lieve anymore. Anyway the speaker shifted his talk to the 30 something attendees who

were not baptized jw's. I will use his quotes as closely as I can. He said " I guarantee this

is the truth but don't take my word for it. I want you to research the Jehovah's Witnesses

for yourself. Be like the Bereans and don't just accept something that somebody tells you.

Churches teach doctrines and have no moral compass coming from Bible teachings.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not have doctrines, we have the truth. Matthew 24:45 shows

definitely that Jehovah has a modern day organization." Okay I'll stop the quotes now.

There was so much wrong from my 60 + years of jw understanding that I couldn't quite

take it all in yesterday. My own researching and years of doubt have me where I am now.

If he wanted them to do research in jw publications only I could see his point. Jehovah's

Witnesses do not teach doctrines? I told my wife that one of the gb said they were the

guadians of doctrine. The statement that Matt 24:45 affirms that Jehovah has a modern

organization and it's the Jehovah's Witnesses? I didn't get that from reading that scripture.

My wife said " hmm " and went to sleep.

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" you will never grow old..."

by mrquik in

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" you will never grow old..." a more grievous lie is hard to imagine.

i heard this one first in 1957. i was 6. my mother had just converted.

i heard it many times after that.

Bigdummy

Markofcane,

That is my feelings also. I'm 65 and started going to the kh when I was five years

old. My wife was born in. I haven't been in fs for many, many months. Couldn't

continue to go to people's doors and tell them something I didn't believe myself.

i go the meetings sometimes to accompany my wife but I try to read my bible

while I'm sitting there and try to block out a lot of things. I look around some-

times and watch the others nod their heads in agreement to some ridiculous

assertment. One of the elders stated from the podium the other night, " if you

don't attend all meetings and go in fs, there is something wrong with you."

I thought so be it. If that's what you think that's fine. I don't speak to any

jws about my views. I tell my wife but it doesn't affect her beliefs at all. That's

ok with me. Everyone should be able to believe what they want. It's funny that

you can't question the org. It's like poking someone in the eye.

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Midweek meeting

by loneranger in

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almost two months into the change in format of the mid week meeting from the school and service meeting format to the christian life and ministry (clam) format.

in my congregation, seems attendance is down 10-15% over the normally low attendance for the mid week meeting before the change.

some indicate that the meeting under the clam format is very "intense"...you really need to study and research to be able to participate or get anything out of the meetings.

Bigdummy

I made a comment a few weeks ago but our congregation's lack of hand raising.

The attendance is dwindling and only a few raise their hands for comment. Two

families are moving and that comprises of about a 10 people. The meetings

are extremely boring, the comments are basically from the material and no

extra thoughts or heartfelt thinking on the comments. The elders keep saying

"this new arrangement is so exciting and fast paced the time just gets away. We're

just trying to hold on to the chariot." And once again out of the blue an elder will

bring up the fact that if the GB tells us to do something that doesn't make sense

in a human standpoint we should just go ahead and follow direction. I'm wonder-

ing , and I'm serious, is this statement something that the elders have been told

to say every other week? Also another thing I took note of. Jesus was mentioned

in the opening and closing prayer. Not one single time was his name said during

the entire meeting. None. Zero. Nada! I asked my wife if she noticed it. She didn't

and didn't seem to think anything of it. I told her the GB had taken his place. She

didn't want to talk about it. I can't talk to anybody at the hall about these things

because in the past I have tipped my hand to a couple of elders how I see things.

For my wife's sake I wouldn't want to cause a big disturbance so I just take and sit

with her.

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My First CLAM Meeting

by The Searcher in

i carried out my monthly "cover" visit to the k.h.

tonight.

as previously discussed on this forum, the clam meeting is just a rehashed, recycled, reshuffled, & rebranded ministry school and service meeting.

Bigdummy

I haven't posted in a good while. I have been associated with this sect for approx.

60 years, baptized for 50. For someone who is newly converted, this CLAM deal

would be ok I suppose but the whole concept of jw indoctrination is very dis-

heartening. I still go with my wife for a night meeting but I don't get as upset as

I did just a few months ago. I can sit there for a couple of hours and it's like my

mind is really kind of listening and yet I'm studying peoples reactions to what

is said from the platform. It's like the Searcher said, the same few people do

90% of the commenting and that's fine with me because I'm surely not going to.

I haven't been door to door in many many months but yet I was asked if I wanted

to get back on the ministry school. I thought that was very odd. I wonder some

times if there are others at my hall who feel like I do. Too risky to try and find out

but it is telling that a lot, and I mean a lot are silent. An elder was giving a part

a few weeks ago that required audience participation and at one point he asked

a question and there was dead silence for about 30 seconds and you could see

he was getting frustrated and he said " come on people there's tons of answers

here". My attitude is not the best anymore about any organized religion. I read

the Bible and read a lot from Matthew Henry so I consider myself God fearing

and live my life accordingly. I'm not a rebel nor a great thinker, but sometimes

I wonder if the people in jw Ville do ANY thinking of their own. I know this is

doubled space but I can't prevent it.

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Almost said too much"....... maybe

by Bigdummy in

the wife was getting ready for the sunday meeting yesterday and wanted the grandkids.

they didn't want to so she called our daughter to come and pick them .

now wife is about to cry because she is going by herself.

Bigdummy

I would like to say that I apologize for that last sentence in my above post. Some-

time my thoughts and my typing don't coincide with each other and the result is

a little messed up. I'm happy and frustrated at the same time about my feelings,

the happiness of knowing that there are multitudes of people like me that have

stepped back and really took a discerning view of what is taught as life saving

truth and frustrated that people still gobble this up as the only true way to be

acceptable to God. I really can't totally blame the sheeple. I was one myself. I'll

try to make better sense of my posts but sometimes I get jacked up about

something and I start to rant.

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Almost said too much"....... maybe

by Bigdummy in

the wife was getting ready for the sunday meeting yesterday and wanted the grandkids.

they didn't want to so she called our daughter to come and pick them .

now wife is about to cry because she is going by herself.

Bigdummy

The wife was getting ready for the Sunday meeting yesterday and wanted the grandkids

to go with her. They didn't want to so she called our daughter to come and pick them

up. Now wife is about to cry because she is going by herself. I got dressed and went

with her. Man , I'm glad I did. I didn't have a magazine ( haven't looked at a Watchtower

in a long time) so I'm sitting there listening and observing, and lo and behold a former

elder makes a comment about a video of a brother Schaffer who really hit home

with a point about how we don't understand some things that happen and if we are

offended by them we should just let it go. I know this very video came up for discus-

sion a while back on here and somebody gave a good critique on how the brother mis-

applied the meaning of that scripture in Philipians. After the meeting I approached the

Watchtower conductor and we went over the verses together and said he had never

looked at that verse the way I was viewing it but yet he agreed with me. The verse is

not saying that Jah understands we were wronged and so therefore you should suck

it up and let it go because you don't understand and Jehovah does. This is misapply-

ing a scripture to fit an agenda. I also brought up the misapplying of the WTS of Prov.

4:18 which is used as an excuse to bring up new light in ever changing doctrine. The

rendering of that chapter has nothing to do whatsoever with end time prophecies. It's

about a father encouraging his so to avoid bad people and their influences and the son

will identify bad people on his own as he gets older and he gets wiser. Most elders

or anybody for that matter that I've discussed Prov 4:18 with agrees that in the context

it's referring to a father counseling his son. Only one elder disagreed. He said that

scripture could be interpreted as new information becoming brighter and brighter. I told

him I guess you could interpret a lot of scripture to mean what you want you want

you want it to mean but that scripture is self explanatory.

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This generation revisited.

by Bigdummy in

it's 1:30 am and i'm wide awake again as usual.

i was doing a little bible reading yesterday and.

came across luke 11:29 where jesus states " when the crowds were increasing, he began to say,.

Bigdummy

The Searcher: " JWs eagerly await conventions for new light".

We had an elder who stepped down or was deleted who would say months in

advance of a convention that we would be learning a lot of things at the upcoming

assembly. Possibly, this coming October will be the finale of this system of things.

This went on for several years and some of the people thought he was so smart

about everything. A lot of people looked over him and thought he had a screw loose

because he over exaggerated his comments with his own experiences in life. All

comments would include anything that happened in his life that he could work into

his comment. I did this and I did that. I liked the guy but his act got real old over the

years and I believe he worked himself into such a frenzy all the time that he burned

out.

I was at the Service Meeting with my wife the other week and I finally heard the com-

ment that I had been waiting for weeks to hear. A sister commented " that was the

best assembly ever." That comment somehow doesn't have the same importance

it used to have the other 50 times I heard it over my lifetime.

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This generation revisited.

by Bigdummy in

it's 1:30 am and i'm wide awake again as usual.

i was doing a little bible reading yesterday and.

came across luke 11:29 where jesus states " when the crowds were increasing, he began to say,.

Bigdummy

It's 1:30 am and I'm wide awake again as usual. I was doing a little Bible reading yesterday and

came across Luke 11:29 where Jesus states " when the crowds were increasing, he began to say,

this generation is an evil generation, it seeks a sign, but no sign will be given to it." I'm kind of

paraphrasing here and will drop down to verse 30 where he states " Jonah became a sign to the

men of Neneveh, so will the Son of Man be to this generation". I think it's plain enough to me

that the generation he is referring to is the people who are his detractors who are in his midst at

that time. Looking at Matthew 24:34 he states that " this generation will not pass away till all these

things take place". This generation here in Matthew takes on a deeper meaning because of the

future destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and the future coming of the Son of Man. I'm using The

New Oxford Annotated Bible for the scriptually quotes so I would like to quote the footnote about

Matthew 24:34 which states " the normal meaning of ' this generation' would be ' men of our time'

and the words would refer to a period of 20 to 30 years. What Jesus meant here however is

uncertain." The point of my post is, why couldn't the WTS have used the same logic and said " we

are uncertain what is meant by generation in this verse ". But no, they had to assert themselves

and say this is what it means. We know what it means because we are spirit directed and then

change the interpretation approx 6 times. Believe and follow us or die. I gave up. Rant over!

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Whatever Happened to the Remnant?

by snugglebunny in

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back in the 50's, when i was just a skinny kid, my father became po of a new congregation.

he'd only been baptised for around 4 years, so his rise was quite remarkable.just one of his flock in the new cachement area was of the "remnant".

this lady was well into her 60's, childless but married.

Bigdummy

I have a bipolar disorder and recently I have discovered I have Pure O which is a

varient of OCD. I have had Pure O all my 60 plus years I just thought it was normal

until recently when I discovered they have a name for it now. Anywho, would I now be

qualified to partake of the emblems next Memorial? LOL

P.S. I try to be Christs brother, so scriptually I hope I'm qualified anyway. I've lived

with these ailments all my life and I finally resolved myself to accept it along with meds

and decided to just ride it out until I croak and be the best person I can be.

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Just Sharing a couple of experiences I heard in the last day or two about ones leaving the Borg.

by Crazyguy in

i was having breakfast with a friend and former jw just yesterday and he informed me that the place we were eating in is owned by a former witness.

the story goes as he tells me that the wife and husband or on the outs and getting a divorce.

now just so you know the state i live in, a divorce is not quick, mandatory waiting period etc.

Bigdummy

In regards to your statement about the elders showing up too late after the couple had

already divorced. We had a young sister who was a pioneer and she had some difficulty

with a couple of other young pioneer sisters personality wise. She became unhappy

about working with them so she approached an elder. He told her that he and another

elder would come to her house and encourage her. She waited a couple of weeks and

asked if they were coming. He said yes so she waited a month and they never came

and never said why they did not come. She got off the pioneer roll. Evidently ( I always

liked that word) it wasn't a big deal for them.