Posts by chasson

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Everyone in Canada: Could you help ?

by chasson in

montreal, 16 avr 2006 (afp) - .

automatic translation: .

nathalie gettliffe, a 35 year old frenchwoman fighting to protect her children from a sect christian woman where them father engaged in canada, was challenged at the time of his return in this country and was always imprisoned this weekend, affirmed sunday her lawyer.

chasson

MONTREAL, 16 avr 2006 (AFP) -

Automatic translation:

Nathalie Gettliffe, a 35 year old Frenchwoman fighting to protect her children from a sect Christian woman where them father engaged in Canada, was challenged at the time of his return in this country and was always imprisoned this weekend, affirmed Sunday her lawyer.

Mrs. Gettliffe had left her Canadian husband in 2001 to prevent it embrigader their two children, Maximilien and Joséphine, in the sect of the international Church of Christ. The young woman was challenged Monday April 10 in the province of Colombia-British, on the Pacifique coast, where it went to sign an agreement governing the custody charges and of visit of the two parents.

The authorities of the province carried out the arrest of the young Frenchwoman before even establishing the warrant for arrest for "removals of children" and "contempt of court", affirms his lawyer, Me Domenica Chambon, in an official statement received by the AFP. Mrs. Gettliffe was challenged on the initiative of prosecuting attorney of the province, which is the father-in-law of its ex-husband, according to the lawyer, who denounces a "arbitrary arrest".

The Supreme Court of the Colombia-British had revoked in September 2004 the charge of removal of children against Mrs. Gettliffe, pointed out to Me Chambon, documents with the support. According to the current spouse of Mrs. Gettliffe, Francis Gruzelle, journalist with the daily newspaper Released Dauphiné, the prosecutor of Colombia-British, ex-beautiful-father of Mrs. Gettliffe, required the return of the two children to Canada in exchange of its release, but the young woman would have refused. "It prefers to make four years of prison as a Colombia-British (...) rather than the children turn over in the hell of the sect", he explained to the AFP.

Nathalie Gettliffe, who teaches English at the Lyon-2 university, must appear Wednesday before a court of the province of the Canadian west. Following a request of his lawyer, a new prosecutor was charged with the file.

Bye

Charles

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Important Press Release tomorrow - want to take part webmasters and others?

by Dogpatch in

jw
friends

we are planning an important press release tomorrow to coincide with the special talk on sunday, it will be a shocker.

if you manage a website or are good at pr and email distribution, email me at [email protected].

we want as much wide coverage as possible and on as many websites as possible!.

chasson

If you want some coverage in France, you can send me what you want to be translate in french.

Bye

Charles

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The french's government MIVILUDES

by chasson in

automatic's translation, sorry: .

the 2005's report of miviludes, a french's government comission regarding cult is released.

the jehovah's witnesses are evoked there in connection with the sectarian influence on children, it is evoked the refusal of approval presented to a couple of jehovah's witnesses for adoption because their position on blood's transfusion.

chasson

Link to the report in french:

http://www.miviludes.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/Rapport_MIVILUDES_2005.pdf

Bye

Charles

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The french's government MIVILUDES

by chasson in

automatic's translation, sorry: .

the 2005's report of miviludes, a french's government comission regarding cult is released.

the jehovah's witnesses are evoked there in connection with the sectarian influence on children, it is evoked the refusal of approval presented to a couple of jehovah's witnesses for adoption because their position on blood's transfusion.

chasson

Automatic's translation, sorry:

The 2005's report of Miviludes, a french's government comission regarding cult is released.

The Jehovah's witnesses are evoked there in connection with the sectarian influence on children, it is evoked the refusal of approval presented to a couple of Jehovah's witnesses for adoption because their position on blood's transfusion.(Page 17) as well as the no-report to the police of facts of rape on minor of less than 15 years by the elders of a congregation (Page 21).

It is evoked the activity of "medical matter lobbying" with the HLC (Page 59), as well as the diffusion of a DVD on the alternatives to the transfusions (Page 117) which would comprise inaccuracies in course of evaluation by a medical's comission (Page 125). (This last point is interesting with what has been called "the Big News", if the french's medical community could found that there are some inaccuracies in the JW's DVD, it could be a big argument to present in court)

The report is talking about a decision of a court concerning a family dispute where a father obtained that his JW's wife cannot take along her children to a Kingdow Hall, but not that they do not meet the followers, the court of Aix-en-Provence affirmed "the prohibitions imposed to a 5 year old little child are not appropriate to the psychological development of this one which is not in age to make the share of the things. They bring it to a rejection of the ideas of his father, which are not in conformity with those of his mother. In addition, it is detrimental for the child not to profit, like his schoolmates, of the rejoicings of the festivals of Christmas and Easter which have, for much, lost their religious character but are often the occasion of family meetings which take part in the blooming of the child and his integration in the company." (Page 88 and 89).

In the humane field, the report wonders about Aidafrique association (Page 74) without bringing details.

Bye

Charles

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Penton, Bettelhein and JW's antisemitism

by chasson in

in his last book, penton said that the psychologist bettelheim has witnessed the jw's antisemitism in the concentration camp.

unfortunally, he didn't provide the reference of his affirmation.

i have perhaps a old e-mail of penton and he has never answered my mail concerning this subject.

chasson

In his last book, Penton said That the psychologist Bettelheim has witnessed the JW's antisemitism in the concentration camp. Unfortunally, he didn't provide the reference of his affirmation.

I have perhaps a old e-mail of Penton and he has never answered my mail concerning this subject.

Is someone has some more information about Bettelheim or can contact Penton or give me his e-mail ?

Thanks in advance

Charles

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What are the "legal loophole" ?

by chasson in

in http://www.silentlambs.org/berryarticle.htm .

silentlambs said: .

" in this case the avoidance of recognizing that the elders due to mind control forced sara into silence caused the judges to rule in dismissing the case.

chasson

Merlin,

You want to say that Lindala was not condemned ?

Bye

Charles

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What are the "legal loophole" ?

by chasson in

in http://www.silentlambs.org/berryarticle.htm .

silentlambs said: .

" in this case the avoidance of recognizing that the elders due to mind control forced sara into silence caused the judges to rule in dismissing the case.

chasson

Another time, thanks Blondie, i will follow your advice.

I am trying to make a complete sum-up of all known's case of pedophily inside JW all around the world, here:

http://cchasson.free.fr/index.php?title=Liste_des_affaires_de_p%C3%A9dophilie

Bye

Charles

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What are the "legal loophole" ?

by chasson in

in http://www.silentlambs.org/berryarticle.htm .

silentlambs said: .

" in this case the avoidance of recognizing that the elders due to mind control forced sara into silence caused the judges to rule in dismissing the case.

chasson

For the case of Heidi Meyer, i have found it:

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=mn&vol=apppub%5C0403%5Copa031142-0309&invol=1

I have not found however, if Lindala has been condemned ?

For the case of Erica Garza i am still searching ?

Bye

Charles

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What are the "legal loophole" ?

by chasson in

in http://www.silentlambs.org/berryarticle.htm .

silentlambs said: .

" in this case the avoidance of recognizing that the elders due to mind control forced sara into silence caused the judges to rule in dismissing the case.

chasson

In http://www.silentlambs.org/BerryArticle.htm

Silentlambs said:

" In this case the avoidance of recognizing that the elders due to mind control forced Sara into silence caused the judges to rule in dismissing the case. In every decision it has been made clear that the elders had a moral and ethical obligation but a legal loophole prevented them from going forward with civil litigation. This was also noted in the Erica Garza, California case as well in which the Statue of limitations prevented the case from continuing though the judge called the actions of the elder egregious and outrageous in the way Erica was treated. In Minnesota, the Heidi and Amber case also was lost on appeal to the Minnesota Supreme Court, not because they were not molested, nor because the elders morally and ethically failed to report, but once again on a legal loophole that was hard won with hundreds of thousands of dollars of Jehovah’s Witness donated funds being spent on legal fees to protect the interests of a child molester acused of molesting several children."

Have you more documentation on "legal loophole" in the case of Heido and Erica Garza ?

Thanks

Charles

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JWs and Nazis in WW II

by robhic in

i know there is considerable info on jws and the nazis during wwii.

i happen to be reading a book on "auschwitz" and other nazi death camps.

i wasn't looking for this but found it interesting.. heidrich himmler (sp) (i believe he was hitler's #1 death-camp officer) thought using jws for servants in the living quarters of the german ss troops manning the camps was a good idea.

chasson

Thanks for all Leolia.

To add something about the help that some JW made to individual jews. Even if i disagree with Penton who argue in his book that all the JW help jews mainly to convert them. I have found in Google print a book called "Children Who Survived the Final Solution":

http://books.google.com/books?ie=UTF-8&hl=fr&vid=ISBN0595309259&id=8kN7PwWyimcC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=children+who+survived+the+final+solution&sig=2dFfEbUbkV60-u-BnN7740WeSm8

In Page 143, 144 a jews is telling his story as a young jews in Ukrain. He was helped by a couple of JW who has tried to convert him, by telling him that "Jews were responsible for killing Christ". The author thinks it is because their ukranian's background, we know by "The Declaration of Facts" that JW could use this argument.
In Page 144, he tell how he has left the JW, because his brothers wanted him not to go to School because they thought that he learn communism there, and how they have "dropped" him.

Bye

Charles