Welcome from Queens New York City. Glad to hear your mate is so liberal. That's kind of how my ex is, which helps with our daughter.
Isaac
i'm new to this forum and look forward to getting to know you guys.. just a short summary about me, i was raised a jw, baptized at 15, married at 25, moved a few states away, started fading away about a year and a half ago.
started doing some searching about some long-standing doubts and completely sure now that this isnt the truth.
being out is still new and very difficult, but i'm making strides every day.. as i said, i look forward to getting to know you all..
Welcome from Queens New York City. Glad to hear your mate is so liberal. That's kind of how my ex is, which helps with our daughter.
Isaac
and we can get on with our lives!
!......what is he "trying" to prove?
and for god's sakes,(pun intended)how long is this gonna take???.
For that matter why not forgive man's future sins outright and be done with the whole thing?
my brother-in-law has been staying with me all week and his strange views of life have been driving me crazy.
just yesterday he informed me that c.t.
russell predicted global warming.
Actually taking passages like "there will be grain on the tops of the mountains" literally would necessitate some kind of warming. In fact that helped me appreciate how screwed up WT teachings are. Imagine the polar ice caps melting. We'd be in a world of hurtin'. These comments don't make ol' Charlie the FDS or anything else divine. Otherwise scientists would be the Gods themselves.
Isaac
if the scriptures in the book of enoch has enough validity to be mentioned in jude..... the wager between jehovah and the debbil, concerning the demise of job, could never have happened.. according to enoch...jehovah and satan were not even on speaking terms during that time.. this quote from enoch 13 takes place shortly after "the fall".. .
1 and enoch went and said: oazazel, thou shalt have no peace: a severe sentence has gone forth.
2 against thee to put thee in bonds: and thou shalt not have toleration nor request granted to thee, because of the unrighteousness which thou hast taught, and because of all the works of godlessness.
Interesting. Maybe those hallucinating ancients were all confused.
my granddaughter's friend has a bible story book from her church, and the two girls read the story about jesus' last supper and how jesus died on the cross.
when granddaughter mentioned to her (other) grandmother that she had been reading this book, grandma quickly explained that jesus didn't die on a cross but on a torture stake.
granddaughter went to her mother (my daughter-in-law), and she pulled out the wt bible stories book and together they compared it with the book that my granddaughter's friend had shared.
Incredible. Out of the mouth of children! I wonder what my daughter thinks of this. She may not even know what the issue is.
Welcome.
Isaac
the jw academy post brought back my memories of going to a school run by jw's in the late 70's in hollywood fla. i went for 4 and 5 th grade.
i t was quite odd and i do believe i have suppressed most of my memories of it.
has anybody else ever heard of such a thing ?
There was/is one in Queens NYC. They were popular back in the day's when JW's had issues with the flag salute in the US.
use of 1 enoch elsewhere in jude.
jude 4 = 1 enoch 48:8-10, 81:1-2, 108:6-7 .
jude 6 = 1 enoch 10:4-12, 12:4, 15:3-7 .
I'm glad you resurrected this thread Leolaia. This issue was another of my issues with the whole inspired Bible thing when I was a JW.
have you ever heard a dub say that they are not a cult because they don't live in a commune?
(aside from all the other reasons they are a cult- see other thread about wt mind control) my question is, isn't bethel rather like a commune?
and what about the wt farms?.
Bethel is their commune. And they substitute the physical control for the rest of the dubs with mental control, which is actually more powerful. A cult they still are.
Isaac
i've noticed a lot of xjw blogs popping up lately.
i think that is great.
blogging could be the next big phase in combating the influence and propaganda of the watchtower society.