Posts by truthsetsonefree

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I've noticed something different at this years district convention

by JWinprotest in

not sure if this was the case elsewhere, but i noticed that the contribution boxes with the people attending them stayed out in the hall ways throughout the entire session.

they used to be set up only before and after sessions and during lunch......times are tough!

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Would WT keep more young people if Kingdom Melodies sounded like this?

by JimmyPage in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mer6w32byxq.

truthsetsonefree

Sounds great! Of course foolish old geezers just see this kind of rendering as taking away from the "dignity" that KM's should be afforded.

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"Life without end at last" sung at Michael Jackson's funeral

by What-A-Coincidence in

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"mourners were handed lyrics to a song entitled "life without end/at last" and the group sang it together a cappella.

".

http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20290557,00.html.

So a JW service for someone disassociated. I know there are loopholes that allow this. And I'm happy the Jackson's got what they wanted, even if that silly Paradise is nothing but a pipe dream. What is sad is that so few non-celebrity JW's are allowed to use said loopholes by the self serving WTBT$.

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Pray then, this way......

by AK - Jeff in

at least i have/do at times.. dear god.

why is knowing you so confusing?

why are you dependent on my 'faith'?

truthsetsonefree

Some creature who refuses to answer when intelligent beings such as myself, capable of understanding things beyond what the eye can see, have made repeated attempts at communicating, does not deserve my time and effort at contacting he/she or it. If he/she or it even exists. The guessing game is disrespectful and a waste of valuable resources.

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The Story of Mr. & Mrs. Flipper

by flipper in

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it was requested of someone on the board via pm to tell our story.

i'll try to keep it brief, for me that's hard.

mrs. flipper was raised catholic and got out when she was 12 because the nuns and cathlolic school teachers didn't like her independent thinking mind.

truthsetsonefree

I missed this a year ago as I wasn't on the forum as much. I can relate to a lot of this. Thanks for the story, or as we would have said as dubs...experience!

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Supreme Court Blood Case - WTS LOSES

by skeeter1 in

http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2009/2009scc30/2009scc30.html.

supreme court of canada.

wts loses!.

truthsetsonefree

Here is another interesting spin: http://www2.canada.com/montrealgazette/features/viewpoints/story.html?id=de7b5dca-6b93-46d9-8363-2b7af69576b3

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Wednesday » July 8 » 2009

Age alone is not the measure of maturity

The Gazette

Friday, July 03, 2009

The Supreme Court of Canada has granted adolescents a say in serious medical decisions that affect them - provided they demonstrate the necessary level of maturity.

The judgment, in a decision announced last week, is part of a trend in Canada: The state is agreeing to allow adolescents greater personal responsibility, under carefully-circumscribed conditions.The 2003 Youth Criminal Justice Act signalled Parliament's desire to treat teens as individuals in criminal matters, assessing ability to assume responsibility on a case-by-case basis. This new ruling extends the principle to medical treatment.

Until this Supreme Court decision, the level of maturity required for medical treatment decisions had been determined by age alone - an admittedly arbitrary measure made worse because it varied from province to province. Quebec's age of consent was 14; Saskatchewan's was 18.

The Supreme Court decision means that age alone can no longer be used as a cutoff. Instead, judges must now weigh age and maturity "on a sliding scale," setting them against the seriousness of the threat to the youngster's health and well-being. Making these assessments will not be simple, but the principle is sound.

In 2006, a 14-year-old Manitoba girl, a Jehovah's Witness, argued that she was competent to refuse a court-ordered blood transfusion that doctors had determined was necessary to treat bleeding associated with Crohn's disease. (Jehovah's Witnesses believe the Bible bans the "ingestion" of blood.) Three psychiatrists found she was not mentally ill, nor in thrall to her parents. Yet because 16 was the age of consent to medical treatment in Manitoba, the government was able to order her to accept transfusions.

The Supreme Court held that when an adolescent is found capable of making a "truly mature and independent decision," the young person can be allowed to make even a decision with potentially very serious consequences. At the same time, the court said the state has an undeniable duty of care toward youngsters and must recognize that there are limits to their developing maturity.

The ruling properly takes a nuanced approach to the rights and responsibilities of young Canadians. It is wrong, on the basis of age alone, to deny a young person any say in what happens to him or her. Maturity can develop early - or late - in adolescence.

This Supreme Court decision is a new step along the way to conferring on mature teenagers the right to exercise informed choice. It is a step in the right direction.

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Could Watchtower Collapse Be Sooner Than You Think?

by metatron in

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there have been a number of developments over the past few months and they paint an interesting picture.. witnesses can keep dragging themselves to meetings ad infinitum however, the future of the watchtower itself is another story.

the evidence of continuing cash flow problems is now overwhelming.

if you talk to well placed witnesses, most won't deny it but simply blame it on the publishers financial problems.. they have cut off loans to congregations many of whom genuinely need new kingdom halls.

truthsetsonefree

You make some excellent points Metatron. I also have felt that their focus on the foreign field would hurt them in the end. Focusing on poor countries does not bring in any real money. And WT is not a legitimate charity in the way most churches are. They get money from their people for the most part. So where will the donations come from. They are surviving now in large part through investments. I have a feeling it will be a slow fall, but faster than we ever thought possible say 15-20 years ago.

Lost-In-Translation, your post makes me think I wasted a lot of time when I was magazine servant! They should have done this A LOT sooner. I always knew JW's to have stacks of "old magazines" lying around. Until that is they made it okay to place them as back issues. The stacks still seemed to pile up though until someone would say: "Hey let's take these and do laundromat witnessing!"

Isaac Carmignani

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Do you remember SPECIFIC CONVERSATIONS with householders from the field ministry?

by BonaFide in

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i have a few that i remember that were interesting.

of course, those that i supposedly helped.. but i also remember one man at an apartment.

i started to talk about the universe, and how the planets are aligned perfectly, and the earth is the perfect distance from the sun to support life.

truthsetsonefree

Funny you mention this...I can't recall a one. Some intense street-work conversations, but none at the door. People were never home. I now realize how many were just dodging us.

Isaac Carmignani

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Ye Olde Soda Fountain

by cameo-d in

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before fast food...there was the soda fountain.

anyone here remember them?.

once in a while on a special saturday, my grandmother would take me to town.

truthsetsonefree

The banana split and Woolworth's....mmmmmm

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When will there be a major expose' of the WTBTS on W-5, CNN or?

by Japster in

i have to wonder why there has been no major new reporting source that has taken it upon themselves to do a big expose' on the borg?

i know that there have been some great things on pedophelia and blood transfusions but what about a one hour special on all the problems this destructive sect has caused in millions of peoples lives all over the earth?.

am i missing something.. thanks.

truthsetsonefree

I have to say I've observed the same as far as JW's not being that important in the outside world. They are important to us because of our experiences and those of our families. But JW's (and as mentioned even some ex-JW's) have a MAJOR misconception that anybody really cares. If that was ever proved it was with MJ. With all of the attention on his death, only passing reference is ever made to his religion. Most people have little clue of what this cult really does or how it affects people anyway. Even in positive ways like Supreme Court battles that they have been involved with concerning freedom of speech or civil rights, JW's are not well known for having been involved. As least not in the general consciousness.

Now if something major were to happen with them it might attract attention. But I can't think of what would have that kind of captivating attention. And as has been mentioned WT is very litigious. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see an expose. I have even tried in some small ways to move that along. But as mentioned nobody really cares. Perhaps what could trigger it is someone on the inside of politics or entertainment being really interested in tackling the issue.

This doesn't mean that we shouldn't continue the fight. We most certainly should. And every once in a while someone gets a nice article in the local media such as a letter disassociating themselves that I am sure has an impact. But that is where this battle will be fought. In small steps, and in the courts. Quietly. But we must always be ready for any chance to put this issue in front of the public. One never knows when the tide may turn. Barbara Andersen is in Europe, Bill Bowen spent some time in France recently, those efforts could reap some huge dividends one day.

Isaac Carmignani

http://www.facebook.com/isaaccarmignani