Posts by ThomasCovenant

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Remnant in Great Britain. Dead or Alive.

by ThomasCovenant in

jw
friends

i remember reading probably in some old kingom ministries where the number of memorial partakers in great britain was reported.

i'll see if i can retrieve them.

from memory it was in the hundreds.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

I remember reading probably in some old Kingom Ministries where the number of Memorial partakers in Great Britain was reported. I'll see if I can retrieve them. From memory it was in the hundreds.

I would assume the vast majority were and always have been in the USA with Britain as the 2nd largest provider.

Now when I was growing up in the 'truth' in the seventies and eighties there were a couple that I personally was aware of. They are dead now and I don't know of any in the surrounding area.

Does anyone know of any longtime partakers still alive.

Elsie Elliot (Dead)........................South Wales

Freda Cadreman (Dead).................South Wales

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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What would we like them to do? What would we do in their shoes?

by ThomasCovenant in

jw
friends

a lot of the discussion on this site is about how do we go about trying, if at all, to show friends and family the truth about the 'truth'.

my parents are still 'in' and in their late sixties.

dad still window cleaning of course.

I suppose they're (my sibilings) thinking is it right to have a confrontation with our parents after they've spent most of their adult life believing this rubbish. Do we go around and tell every Mormon , Catholic or born again that their whole belief system is a crock of horse manure (my own personal belief).

As far as I can see a lot of people with a religious belief derive a sense of well being from it. My original question is with specific regard to JW's but I suppose it could apply to Muslims Hindus and followers of the Mickey Mouse Fan Club.

Do we tell them, if so how or not at all?

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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What would we like them to do? What would we do in their shoes?

by ThomasCovenant in

jw
friends

a lot of the discussion on this site is about how do we go about trying, if at all, to show friends and family the truth about the 'truth'.

my parents are still 'in' and in their late sixties.

dad still window cleaning of course.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

Thanks for reply AuldSoul. I agree with you. Please don't think I am trying to defend them.

I'm just asking what you as in everyone here would actually do if they were suddenly given absolute command of the Society.

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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What would we like them to do? What would we do in their shoes?

by ThomasCovenant in

jw
friends

a lot of the discussion on this site is about how do we go about trying, if at all, to show friends and family the truth about the 'truth'.

my parents are still 'in' and in their late sixties.

dad still window cleaning of course.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

A lot of the discussion on this site is about how do we go about trying, if at all, to show friends and family the truth about the 'truth'. My parents are still 'in' and in their late sixties. Dad still window cleaning of course. My two brothers and sister, who all left years before me, tell me it's not worth kicking away our parents 'comfort zone' at this stage in their lives.

I, on the other hand, being the oldest and having been duped the longest time feel what is best described as barely controlled rage for a dishonest killing religion.I want to confront my parents and try and convince them of the absolute lunacy of the WTS.

Reading postings here I see I'm not the only one. However more often than not the advice, suggestions and comments given by others is one of restraint in dealings with our loved ones. I myself have commented on my favourite Aesop fable of the Sun and the Wind. (Gently does it).

Everybody's circumstances are different of course and I'm not offering advice one way or the other but it does seem that the gentle approach seems the favoured one.

Now my point is, when it comes to the Society itself, just imagine that the powers that be are as aware as us that it is not the 'truth'. Do we expect them to suddenly stop all printing production after announcing

''Sorry brothers it's all a load of bollocks. Please get on as best you can with the rest of your lives.''

Or do they carry on whilst easing up and abandoning on the doctrines (1914 generation, 1935 sealing of heavenly calling, military service, voting, further education,blood fractions followed by all blood, birthdays, Xmas, no need to go in service, disfellowshipping etc etc).

This second option of gradually going lax and mainstream without any of the bad points would still keep the ones who want it happy.

First option could be viewed as a bit traumatic.

If we were number one at Brooklyn what would we do? A gradual abandonment, letting people down to reality gently or total pull out of the rug beneath them.

Myself I'm not sure but it's something I've been thinking about recently as it helps me not to become too full of hatred for men in Brooklyn I've never met.

Hope the point I'm trying to make gets across.

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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Did the heavenly calling cease in 1935? Not anymore!

by AnnOMaly in

watch out for the questions from readers in the may 1st 2007 watchtower.

"when does the calling of christians to a heavenly hope cease?

" it's a good'un.. included are the statements:.

ThomasCovenant

Hi again

I'm just going through the CD Rom printing off this so as to contrast the 'Old Shite' with the 'New Shite'.

I want to put it forward to my parents and see what they think.

Watchtower 1995 15th February p19

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In recent years the number of the little flock still on earth has become quite small. This was evident from the 1994 Memorial report. In some 75,000 congregations of Jehovah’s people worldwide, only 8,617 demonstrated by partaking of the emblems their profession to be members of the remnant. (Matthew 26:26-30) In contrast, the total attendance was 12,288,917. Anointed Christians know that this is to be expected. Jehovah has established a limited number, 144,000, to make up the little flock, and he has been gathering it since Pentecost 33 C.E. Logically, the calling of the little flock would draw to a close when the number was nearing completion, and the evidence is that the general gathering of these specially blessed ones ended in 1935.

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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Did the heavenly calling cease in 1935? Not anymore!

by AnnOMaly in

watch out for the questions from readers in the may 1st 2007 watchtower.

"when does the calling of christians to a heavenly hope cease?

" it's a good'un.. included are the statements:.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

Sorry to be a bore

Watchtower 1992 1st March pp20-21

The brilliant flashes of spiritual light that came through TheWatchtower in the 1920’s and 1930’s indicate that the gathering of the remnant of anointed ones was practically completed during that period.

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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Did the heavenly calling cease in 1935? Not anymore!

by AnnOMaly in

watch out for the questions from readers in the may 1st 2007 watchtower.

"when does the calling of christians to a heavenly hope cease?

" it's a good'un.. included are the statements:.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

Watchtower 2002 1st February p20

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This "heavenly calling" began at Pentecost 33 C.E. and, in the main, appears to have ended in the mid-1930’s

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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Did the heavenly calling cease in 1935? Not anymore!

by AnnOMaly in

watch out for the questions from readers in the may 1st 2007 watchtower.

"when does the calling of christians to a heavenly hope cease?

" it's a good'un.. included are the statements:.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

Watchtower 1982 15th February pp30-31

''Many would be invited but only a precious few chosen. (Matthew 22:2, 14) In time the prescribed but limited number of 144,000 would be reached. After this no more would be anointed by holy spirit as witness that they had the heavenly hope, unless, in a rare occurrence, the unfaithfulness of one of the remaining ‘chosen ones’ made a replacement necessary.—Romans 8:16; 11:19; Revelation 7:1-8; 14:1-5.

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When we consider how Jehovah has been dealing with his people during the ‘harvest period,’ it seems evident that the heavenly calling ingeneral was completed about the year 1935, when the hope of the "great crowd" of Revelation 7:9-17 was properly understood to be an earthly one''

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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Did the heavenly calling cease in 1935? Not anymore!

by AnnOMaly in

watch out for the questions from readers in the may 1st 2007 watchtower.

"when does the calling of christians to a heavenly hope cease?

" it's a good'un.. included are the statements:.

ThomasCovenant

Hi

Apologies if this has already been shown.

Watchtower 1970 15th June, Questions from Readers

'' Does this mean that, since about 1935, those already resurrected to heaven together with the spirit-begotten remnant yet on earth have made the full number of 144,000? Yes, that is the conclusion to which the evidence points. The general call for such ones has ceased to go out.''

Thanks

Thomas Covenant

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My first look at an 'apostate' site

by ThomasCovenant in

several years ago when i first started looking at tinternet i was still reticent to look at anything that may be taken as 'apostate'.

so typing in 'jehovahs witnesses' was not for me just yet.

however one little belief of theirs had always troubled me.

ThomasCovenant

Hello

Several years ago when I first started looking at tinternet I was still reticent to look at anything that may be taken as 'apostate'. So typing in 'jehovahs witnesses' was not for me just yet. However one little belief of theirs had always troubled me. So I thought one search for this won't hurt.

I typed in ''Truly I tell you today''. That was all. I was just curious as to what may come up on google. I was convinced nothing would.

But a single page site came up detailing all the instances in the Bible when Jesus allegedly said words to the effect of 'Truly I tell you' and the one instance where the NWT goes for putting the comma you know where.

I was gobsmacked. I honestly thought I must have been the only person alive who had been troubled by this.

It was a literal ' wake up, stupid! ' call. Reading this single page site (with no links as far as I remember) showed me that there were other people who actually did think similar to me. When you're sat at the meetings and some piece of nonsense was said you look around and just see dull dozy faces. Is anyone else thinking!

From that single page site I started looking at others.

Thank you to whoever put up that site.

Thomas Covenant