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  Arizona massacre -- Where does JW line of self defense get crossed?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  jehovah's witnesses are peaceful folks, just ask them.

  having been one till many years ago i used to know the stock answers to questions about that fine line between being peaceable and defending oneself.. this came to front and center during the past several days with that horrific arizona shooting where some 7 folks have lost their lives.

  it could have been more if it weren't for several onlookers ganging up on the perpetrator after he emptied the first magazine of bullets, getting ready for his spare magazine.. these onlookers instinctively became aggressive and restrained the perpetrator, one of them choking the man when needed, etc., and etc.. heroes, all of them, in my opinion.. none of them remained passive, thinking that this man wasn't really a threat to them personally so why get involved.

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  Doesn't answer the question specifically but take a look at this,

  http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_Jehovah's_Witnesses_allowed_to_defend_themselves_against_death
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  I was walking my dog and JWs told me about some good news!

  by moshe in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well, it was a nice morning to take my dog for a walk and about a mile from my home i met a car load of jws working the condos.

  two brothers hit on me before they went back to their car.

  apparently they hadn't been able to talk to anyone this morning -10:30am, so they were eager to find a stooge who would listen to them.. i immediately decided i wouldn't talk about their doctrine, so i jumped on the flood of noah after they got the intros out of the way.

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  Thank you Moshe.

  A Sphere is not a Circle said

  ''your the type of call that I hated getting out in service, you could so easily rip us to shreds and we had to limp back to our car group and lick our wounds and be reassured by the others that we are right and you are wrong and your gonna find out at armegeddon.

  But your also the type of call that I would never forget.''

  I cannot agree more. I was only talking about this the other day with my wife. Of all the thousands of people I called on in the years of door knocking, only a few calls stand out in my memory. They were all negative to the 'Truth'. One was an atheist that the regular pioneer I was working with didn't stand a chance with, one was a 'born again' Christian who tied us up in knots and another were a quiet older couple who meekly said they couldn't understand how JW's felt that they alone knew all the answers. I was silently agreeing.

  These calls made a lasting impression on me as I still remember them but don't remember any 'good calls'

  Keep it up Moshe.
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  Percentage of NFL players with goatees. Typical of the USA?

  by ThomasCovenant in

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  2. physical

  are goatees very, very popular at the moment in the usa?

  because whenever i watch the nfl here in blighty i see that about 80% of the players have goatees and about 95% have either a goatee, a tash, or a full beard.. is it to make the helmet chin strap more comfortable?.

  or are they at the cutting edge of today's male grooming fashion?.

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  Are goatees very, very popular at the moment in the USA? Because whenever I watch the NFL here in Blighty I see that about 80% of the players have goatees and about 95% have either a goatee, a tash, or a full beard.

  Is it to make the helmet chin strap more comfortable?

  Or are they at the cutting edge of today's male grooming fashion?

  (What a run by Lynch for the Seahawks btw)
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  BOE LTR Dec 9, 2010 (copy/paste) DC listings removed from March 1st WT!!!

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses'.

  same meeting.

  meeting.

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  Not sure if any one has already mentioned it but the DC's for USA and Canada now back on the jw. org site.

  http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=FRNsPnPBrt
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  1/1/11 WT Using One Myth to Support Another

  by WalkTall in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i thought this was pretty hysterical and something that i would have never noticed before i woke up.

  in the jan 1 wt under the heading 'was the garden of eden a real place?

  part of the reasoning they use as to why no one could find the garden of eden even though there are specifics in genesis identifying it's location is because "the flood of noah's day may have altered the topography in ways that we simply cannot know today".

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  ''the Flood of Noah's day may have altered the topography''

  That has to be the biggest understatement of the year and its only 1/1/11.

  If the Flood was real, I think the Witnesses, amongst others, believe that this was the cause of the Himalayas rising up and the Grand Canyon being formed. That's what I call topographic alteration all right.
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  'OKM_January_2011_Britain_OCRd.pdf'

  by fokyc in

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  2. bible

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  http://www.box.net/shared/5gf1i7bxks.

  sorry it is late, weather, ice and snow!.

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  Re Preparing for Family Worship night

  'Some family heads write out a brief agenda and place it where the family can easily see it, such as on the refrigerator. This creates excitement and anticipation and gives the family time to prepare if needed.' (bolds mine)

  Maybe I'm too cynical.
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  'OKM_January_2011_Britain_OCRd.pdf'

  by fokyc in

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  http://www.box.net/shared/5gf1i7bxks.

  sorry it is late, weather, ice and snow!.

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  The principle of a family or otherwise getting together to study the Bible's good points, or the Koran's for that matter, is a good ideal.

  It's just not for me.
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  'OKM_January_2011_Britain_OCRd.pdf'

  by fokyc in

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  http://www.box.net/shared/5gf1i7bxks.

  sorry it is late, weather, ice and snow!.

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  Thank you.

  Re the Family Worship Evening

  'One married couple wrote regarding the blessings they have enjoyed: ''As a pioneer couple without children, we really look forward to our Family Worship night. We feel like we are drawing closer to each other and to our heavenly Father. Now when we wake up on the day that we have scheduled to study together, we say to each other: 'Guess what tonight is? Family Worship night!' '' (bolds mine)
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  Disassociation...is it to much hassle? Please advise as need help. Thanks

  by Me Myself and I in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys,.

  thank you for the warm welcome to the forum boards after years of just looking and reading.. i have been impressed by the many comments that have followed the introduction of dontplaceliterature and the balanced, humourus and individual views of the brothers and sisters (we are all human beings so as far as i am concerned no matter what religious persuasion we are all one family!

  ) that have replied with both candid and honest and often heartfelt comments.. i have started a topic and will give the reason for asking first, so anyone can skip the "getting to know me" bit.. i am currently wondering as a baptised member of the org, who hasnt attended either meetings or memorial in the last 4 years.

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  Thanks very much for telling a little of yourself. Very interesting. You seem quite level headed about the whole thing at least and the best part is, all your family are with you. Just imagine the heartache for those with ''believing mates'' who they cannot get to see the shite/light.

  To answer your question, I don't think it is worth it, disassociating. They are not likely to ever come and bother you again anyway. After all, it is only your everlasting life that is on the line.

  As you've already experienced, life does go on without the Watchtower Society's input. What is weird is that I never realized that before, even though 99.99% of the world around me seemed to be carrying on quite happily without JW's.
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  An Elder That Helped Me

  by dontplaceliterature in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  has anyone in this forum ever had an elder in the organization discuss "apostate" teachings with them in a non-threatening, mutually enlightening way?

  obviously, there are many of you who have talked with elders about "apostate" ideas, and have been disfellowshipped/disciplined for it.

  that's not really what i'm interested in hearing about in this thread, no offense.

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  ''Has anyone in this forum ever had an Elder in the organization discuss "apostate" teachings with them in a non-threatening, mutually enlightening way?''

  No.

  And neither has any elder ever telephoned, written or knocked my door (to my knowledge) to ask about either myself, my wife or our teenage children since we left off from attending meetings.

  Considering that they firmly believe that our very lives are at stake it strikes me that they don't really give a hoot and are actually very selfish.

  In other words exactly like I used to be when I was a Witness. I wasn't a blind bit interested in bringing anyone into the ''truth'' because I didn't believe it.

  If they really believed it they would be begging me to return.

  The attitude is actually, when you think about it,

  ''Ah well, he's buggered. What's on tv?''