Posts by ThomasCovenant

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Re Hostage victims killed in Sydney: "dont worry, at least they will NOW get a ressurection"

by stuckinarut2 in

so most would now know of the vile act in sydney last week where a man held hostage over 17 people in the lindt cafe in the middle of sydney.. two people were murdered...a beautiful, educated lawyer,loving mother of three, and a brave, loving young man working as the cafe manager.. this senseless and cruel act has touched everyone deeply, especially in the communities of sydney.

the outpouring of grief and support for the victims and their families has been immense.. i was therefore outraged to have the following comment made by a witness in conversation at the kingdom hall:.

"well, we dont need to be sad, because at least now they (the two victims) will get a ressurection.

ThomasCovenant

''it would be a great idea

to just shoot people instead of preaching to them,

because then they will get reserrected. Whereas

those who get preached to ...and reject message,

will die forever''

I worked that out when I was 14 years old. I remember thinking that my fellow Witnesses who couldn't see that that was the logical follow through of the belief system were in a state of stupid denial.

What a way for me to grow up in my formative years believing that every person killed had a ticket to Paradise. Remind you of anything?

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Goodbye JWD/JWN (my last post)

by slimboyfat in

jw
friends

after some considerable thought i have decided that i will no longer post on this forum because i want to return to jehovah.

thank you for all the kindness and many interesting discussions over the years.

i wish you all well in the future and the decisions you make.

ThomasCovenant

Just thinking of SBF

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Exerps, Conversation/Debate with a close old friend still in the Borg. Comments please!

by dark angle in

part 1. .

she was suspecting me that i'm no longer interested in the borg, and she was trying to get a confession.

this is how our conversation went out.

ThomasCovenant

''A brother and a professor in biology in a university''

Hi, Is that two separate people or one? There is a Witness that I knew that was a professor in biology at St Georges University Grenada.

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Nov 2014 KM - a text message counts as a return visit!

by EndofMysteries in

if you don't know, km's are now online too.

under the heading, "i cannot find him at home again!

" it mentions how a text message or email is to be counted as a return visit.

ThomasCovenant

”A return visit may be counted when we visit the person or witness to him by means of a letter, an e-mail, a text, a note left in his door, or a telephone call.'' Kingdom Ministry November 2014

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The more people who leave the Witnesses, the more people will leave. True?

by ThomasCovenant in

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friends

if more faders stopped fading and just stopped,.

would more of the many closet unbelieving attendees just stop too, creating a momentum?.

.

ThomasCovenant

''Those who are still in, yet know TTATT, are in a wonderful position though to sow seeds of rebellion within.''

Yes, they are in a wonderful postion to sow seeds of rebellion. But fading, by it's nature, means not sowing any seeds of rebellion.

And so it goes on.

Personally I don't think it makes much difference to other witneses whether another person 'fades' or just ups and leaves.

For me, my conscience and personal principles of honesty and integrity would no longer allow me to have anything to do with the religion once I finally realized what it really was.

For others I understand that fading is better for their individual circumstances.

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The more people who leave the Witnesses, the more people will leave. True?

by ThomasCovenant in

jw
friends

if more faders stopped fading and just stopped,.

would more of the many closet unbelieving attendees just stop too, creating a momentum?.

.

ThomasCovenant

If more faders stopped fading and just stopped,

would more of the many closet unbelieving attendees just stop too, creating a momentum?

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Frieking Bethel Heavies/COs and their second rings!

by lambsbottom in

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friends

dude, every picture i see of any bethel heavies or gb members (a lot of cos also) have them wearing a second huge gold ring!

this is a clear sign of "hey i'm a bigshot!

" you just dont see that in interviews of celebrities or politicials.

ThomasCovenant

Isn't ring slang for an anus?

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New methods?

by manda63 in

hi, had some strange things happen this week that have made me ponder what on earth is going on with the man made organisation.. 1/ while picking up some train tickets i was approached by a young man with an ipad of sorts who engaged me in a chap and then asked to show me a new website i asked what he was trying to sell or promote he assured me that he was selling nothing the website he showed me was jw.org so i quickly said so you are promoting an organisation with a brand name similar to how a christian would promote jesus and the bible he looked confused but then said yes, so i said that i thought that to be quite shamefull, he froze for a bit and didnt comment so i asked is this new symbol a trade mark of some marketting firm to which he said "no we are jehovahs witnesses" no one else was around so not sure of the "we" but anyway i said if god has given us the bible whats with a website that produces snippets out the bible with an opinion on the meaning he avoided the question and asked me what i believed in so i said my religions leeders dont let me discuss belief with anybody so i obey,listen to them and dont question he said "you have been blessed by j with a brain and freedom of thought to look and question" i said ok but i think its strange that you use a name for god thats perhaps made up by man, blindly follow and dont question a group of self appointed men as well as showing signs of idoatory to an organisation that has pushed jesus to one side, at this he suddenly he had to dash off.

2/ when out shopping i was apprehended by a group of people with a stand giving free literature and promoting the jw.org website so i had had to ask whats with this name change after all these years and are you a similar religion to the catholic church which led to a chat about how the catholic religion is false and how they wickedly have covered up sex abuse!

i didnt bite on this one but asked if birth control was banned in the jw.org religion a lady stepped forward and explained that it was cruel and not biblical to ban contreception i said i had been shown a bit in the bible that gives rise to this ban and she said they(catholic church) dont understand the bible and use it to control and miss inform people so i replied similar to how your organisation bans blood and birthdays by misinterpreting the bible i went on to say that i believe the organisation to be hypocritical,false , cult like and shamefull how it covers up sex abuse i also got in that the organisation had totally corrupted its self with its un membership and also with the sheer amount of false prophecy over its relatively short history at which the senior man at the table politely told me if i wasnt interested in the literature to be on my way and that hopefully i would mature enough to let jehovah into my heart before it was to late and that he felt sorry for me and the people i obviously associated with.

ThomasCovenant

he ''asked me what I believed in so I said my religions leeders dont let me discuss belief with anybody so I obey,listen to them and dont question''

That's a good one to say to Witnesses next time I speak to them, thanks.

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Should you believe in the trinity brochure

by Matt_fs in

ThomasCovenant

No, you shouldn't believe in the trinity brochure.

There are inaccuracies in it.

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Elders, apostasy and disfellowshipping issue's - thoughts please

by FeelingFree in

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friends

ok so... when i was talking to my mil about why i no longer wanted to be a witness she kept trying to convience me that i needed to speak to the elders.

i said from the word go i didn't feel the need to as my mind was already made up and no one could change it.

i also said if the elders new all my reasons for leaving they would view me as an apostate and i would get disfellowshipped.

ThomasCovenant

''I also said if the elders knew all my reasons for leaving they would view me as an apostate and I would get disfellowshipped. Her reaction to this was that I was very judgmental and of course they wouldn't think that at all!''

If she feels so strongly that the elders wouldn't think that, ask her if she'd be willing to legally sign over the deeds to her home to you if they did, in fact, think that.

Then hold her to it.