will this arrogant, presumptuous organization that has ruined so many lives, that loves to talk about humility and modesty, ever present a formal apology to all those who've suffered at their hands?.
would it really matter if they did?.
nvrgnbk .
They probably don't think they have done anything to apologise for.
After all, they have helped their followers to live upstanding, moral lives, and avoid
the traps that many of us worldly folk fall into, like drug abuse, smoking, alcoholism,
marriage breakups, immoral sex, STD'S etc.
At least, that's what they say........
and the gods rejoiced!!!!
venus winked at mars as she held another of her native sons and said..."told ya so...you ain't seen nothin' yet".
okay, don't know why i can't just say it's daystar's birthday on sunday but i'm just weird that way.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAYSTAR!!
HAVE A GREAT DAY
this topic has been talked about before but it is worth mentioning again.
the revelation grand climax book is currently being studied ar the book studies world wide (4th time) usually on tuesday nights.
at the book study the jws are force fed false doctrine by the wts evil slave class.
um 7 trumpets? whats that, and why is it significant, - is there a thread explaining it anywhere please
It's supposed to have been, according to wts doctrine, to have been fulfilled by the
7 conventions of jws held between 1922 and 1928
http://www.reexamine.org/quotes/trumpet_blasts.htm
The jws were studying the revelation book when I first joined, and I just accepted
the teaching at the time, but thinking about it later, when I'd read the account in
Revelation 8, it seemed to me that these trumpet blasts would be heard throughout
the world. I doubt if everyone in the USA had heard of the jws, or bible students as
they were then known, in the 1920's, so 7 insignificant conventions just didn't seem
to fit the bill for fulfillment of such a prophecy for me. I doubt the "blasts" were heard
in places like China, India, Russia etc somehow.
dedpoet
isnt it a bit strange how jw's react to the different things that go on in the world?.
after 9/11 i heard a brother describe the death and carnage as 'tragic but exciting'.
it seems to me that jw's have their heads so far up their own arseholes that they cant even react in a humane way when things happen in the world.
After 9/11 I heard a brother describe the death and carnage as 'tragic but exciting'. Is it just me or is this a totally twisted way of looking at what happened in NY that day? Can you imagine hearing ANYONE else describing the loss of thousands of lives as 'exciting'?
No one else but the jws would see the death of so many as "exciting", but they get very excited at the prospective death of 6 billion humans at armageddon, so what else can we expect from them when a major disaster occurs?
I think some of them actually look forward to events like 9/11, and secretly wish for more of them. As you said, they love to talk about how these trgedies fit so neatly into their pet prophesies of the "sign" of the last days
dedpoet
will this arrogant, presumptuous organization that has ruined so many lives, that loves to talk about humility and modesty, ever present a formal apology to all those who've suffered at their hands?.
would it really matter if they did?.
nvrgnbk .
Hi nvr,
I think you put this topic in the wrong category - it would be more suited to
the jokes and humour section!
I personally believe that those at the top of the wtbts know, and have known for
years, that their supremely arrogant claim to be god's only channel of truth to be
the bs we know it really is. The periodical doctrinal shifts they have to make,
such as the generation change, which they put down to "new light", and which
they somehow persuade the majority of jws to accept, are forced on them in
order to protect them from the embarassment of having to explain yet another
failed prophecy.
I also believe that they have learned the lessons of history, in particular of the
worldwide church of god. After the death of it's founder, Herbert Armstrong, that
cult radically changed many of it's doctrines, became more mainstream, and
lost many of it's members as a consequence. If the governing body did that, the
consequences would likely be the same, so I don't really see them ever coming
clean about any of the obviously-false doctrines they have promulgated.
I guess they are so used to lying now, and getting away with their lies, that it's
become a habit, maybe even an addiction for them. They probably couldn't tell
the truth even if they wanted to.
dedpoet
have you heard of that famous book the tipping point by malcolm gladwell?
well i thought i would have a go at his more recent book called blink which is about subconscious split-second decisions.
generally i would say it is an overrated if entertainingly written book.
Hi slim,
It could go some way towards explaining it. I guess none of us wants to acknowledge
we have got our life choices wrong, especially when it's as drastic a change to our
lifestyle as becoming a jw can be if, like me, we have no background in any religion.
When I started my own independent research of the doctrines around 8 years ago,
at the time I would have preferred to have been able to prove the watchtower right
rather than admit I'd made such a monumental error in joining. I have wondered
myself if the fear of being proved wrong, and having to admit it, is what keeps
jws and members of other cults from really investigating their own particular beliefs.
I suppose if you've spent your whole life as a jw, to find out that you have been part
of a cult rather than the "one true religion" all these years would be a real bodyblow.
dedpoet
my mom passed away yesterday.
she was a die-hard jw.
i tried to explain why i couldn't accept certain teachings but rather than rationally consider what i had to say she chose to believe i was just "confused".
((((skeptic))))
My sincere condolences for your loss
was offered a new job yesterday.
they are a small, family owned business, with great benefits!!
i'll be in customer service!.
Congratulations cbb, I'm so happy for you. I hope it goes really well
Trev
>subject: fw: presby.
minister's commentary on bro.
russell.
Just in case someone wanted to learn a little! None of us JWs look at him as a prophet
But a lot of his followers did at the time he was making his prophecy that the rapture would occur in 1914, then 1915, then 1918....
He was a prophet actually - a false prophet, like his successor J F Rutherford (millions now living will never die, written in 1920: armageddon will come in 1925, the scriptures say so etc)
just as an admirable man to started to question the ridiculous dogma of the churches
He challenged the "ridiculous dogma" of the churches, and came up with an even more ridiculous dogma of his own, which became even more ridiculous when Rutherford succeeded him, and is still ridiculous today
dedpoet
i post regularly in an international web-based group regarding the sport i do.
one of the group members is a jw and always signs his posts with: "that people may know that you, whose name is jehovah, you alone are the most high over all the earth.
i kindly asked him three times to stop his preaching in our sports forum but he persists.
Here are a few quotes by Hayden Covington during a court case in Scotland in 1954,
There is every reason for a change in interpretation as we view it, of the Bible. Our view becomes more clear as we see the prophesy fulfilled by time.
we have always striven to see that we have the truth before we utter it. We go on the very best information we have but we cannot wait until we get perfect, because if we wait until we get perfect we would never be able to speak.
Unity at all costs, because we believe and are sure that Jehovah God is using our organisation, the governing body of our organisation to direct it, even though mistakes are made from time to time.
It makes one wonder who they were attributing the mistakes to here - the watchtower or jehovah?
Fred Franz, on the wts authority in interpreting the bible
They submit the Bible or the statements that are therein made, and the individual examines the statement and then the Scripture to see that the statement is Scripturally supported.
The full article is here
http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/false_prophecy_admitted.html
And the watchtower admitted to false prophecy during this trial, something they never do nowadays. I hope it helps
dedpoet
