Posts by dedpoet

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Why the Governing Body Calls Us "Apostates"

by t33ap80c in

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why the governing body calls us "apostates".

in their article about "propaganda" the governing body explains that one of the "tricks and tactics" that "cunning propagandists" use is "name-calling".

"name-calling slaps anegative, easy-to-remember label onto a person, a group, or an idea.

dedpoet

Greendawn wrote

They greatly fear ex JWs that disagree with their doctrines because they know that they are hopelessly weak and indefensible before someone that knows them well.

Yes they do fear us, and with good reason, especially the ones that have walked away
having researched the org. Most ex jws on here and other forums know far more
about watchtower doctrine than probably 99% of current jws. We've seen through
their false promises, and we can easily show that most of them aren't scripture-
based if looked at in context.

They don't want their followers talking to us, and who can blame then? They
know that we know the truth about them, and so label us as apostates, while
at the same time warning their followers how twisted and evil we are.

I have long thought that their shunning tactic is in reality a security measure
used by the org to ensure that jws don't have anything to do with their former
colleagues, who are more often than not leading much happier and productive
lives post watchtower. They would never want their followers to see that, in case
they are tempted to ask why, and maybe also start thinking fro themselves.

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Calling all poets

by dedpoet in

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i've decided to put together an ebook of poems about the watchtower.

and upload it to lulu.com.

i'm not looking to make any money out of.

dedpoet

Thanks guys.

I hope to start putting things together in the next few weeks, once
I have enough material. I'll post once the book is done and uploaded.

Keep them coming

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Calling all poets

by dedpoet in

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i've decided to put together an ebook of poems about the watchtower.

and upload it to lulu.com.

i'm not looking to make any money out of.

dedpoet

Hi,

I've decided to put together an ebook of poems about the watchtower
and upload it to lulu.com. I'm not looking to make any money out of
this, I'll make it available for free download, but it will hopefully be a
fun project.

I'm looking for about 50 poems, the length doesn't matter, and the
only rules regarding being considered for the book is that they
refer to the watchtower experience, activities or doctrines in
some way and don't contain a single word of praise for the org.
Sarcasm is acceptable, and is indeed welcome.

I have a few poems of my own, and a couple that a friend has sent
me. If any of you wish to contribute, please pm me on here or email
me at [email protected].

I look forward to hearing from you

Trev

18

What would you say to this........

by fifi40 in

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yesterday my friends 14 year old son died after a lenghty stay in hospital.

he had cystic fibrosis and in september caught an infection resulting in him spending pretty much the rest of his time in ic during which he suffered 2 heart attacks and was on life support and for the final few weeks has not been conscious due to medication.

sadly he lost his battle yesterday.. he was a little chap who i knew and was friends with my son from first day at primary school.

dedpoet

(((fifi)))

I am very sorry to read of your friends loss. I feel for you and
your son as well.

As for this comment

Dad's reaction initially was how sad and then............'its the best thing that could have happened to him......now he has the hope of the resurrection'

What a pri*k! He should be ashamed of himself for saying that,
but the sad fact is he probably thought he was being loving. I
guess it's typical of the way jws think. It would certainly be of
no comfort to the boy's parents, and I'd be inclined to punch him if
he tried to offer me such a "comforting thought".

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I WOULD NEVER HAVE BELIEVED IT!

by Dansk in

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'gay bomb' scoops ig nobel award a study on how to relieve jetlag in hamsters won one of the prizespioneering research into a "gay bomb" that makes enemy troops "sexually irresistible" to each other has scooped one of this year's ig nobel prizes.. other winners included work on treating hamster jetlag with impotency drugs, extracting vanilla from cow dung, and the side-effects of sword swallowing.

the awards, founded in 1991, mark achievements that "first make people laugh, and then make them think".

the prize ceremony took place at harvard university, us.

dedpoet

Marc Abrahams, the editor of AIR, told the BBC News website: "When I became the editor of a science magazine, suddenly I was meeting all kinds of people who had done things that were hard to describe, and for the most part, nobody had ever heard of.

That's a shame. Think of the obvious benefits to mankind
now we know that rats can't tell the difference between
backwards Japanese and backwards Dutch or how sheets
become wrinkled.

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Apostates - viewed as liars, the devils henchmen & to be avoided at all cos

by The Scotsman in

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yes, as far as jehovahs witnesses are concerned, apostates are evil, wicked, faithless liars.. i was wanting to ask - assuming most if not all who come here are in the jw category of apostate, how do you feel about the fact that you are portrayed in such a light by the org?.

i will be the first to admit - i always thought that those who criticized the org were untruthful or exaggerating.

its not until now i have considered what you guys have to say and how you feel that i realize that what you have to say is all truthful (tinged with a bit of anger perhaps).. personally i think its verging on character assassination.

dedpoet

as far as Jehovahs Witnesses are concerned, apostates are evil, wicked, faithless liars....how do you feel about the fact that you are portrayed in such a light by the org?

In my case, faithless is accurate. I'm not evil though, and I don't lie.
It's a convenient label for the watchtower to give us, though, don't you
think? Many of us on here are people who simply walked away from
the org because we researched its' teachings and found that most of
them don't add up to much. The knowledge that we have makes us
dangerous, so it's in the watchtower's interest to keep jws away from
us. They know that there's no point trying to reason with us from
watchtower teachings anymore, and they certainly don't want any
jw to listen to what we have to say about their doctrines.

Personally, I couldn't care less how the watchtower labels me. The
local congregations (in Derby) regard me as a dangerous apostate,
and they are right - I am dangerous to them. I've helped 4 others to
leave the org so far, and would help more if asked.

The perception most JWs have is that apostates are lonely unhappy people who have no life, no meaning to life and "most importantly" have no faith

In most cases, that's just another watchtower fallacy, and couldn't be
further from the truth. I know several ex jws, and most of them are much
more content with their lives since they quit the org, I know that I am.
However, to portray us as lonely or unhappy is again in the org's interests.
They simply can't afford to allow their members, especially the younger ones,
to see that there is a better life beyond the watchtower, so they paint this
generally false picture of how awful life becomes for those who are no longer
in the org, and it works for them. Loyal jws do avoid us, and simply refuse to
accept that we have anything other than the miserable life that the org says
we have.

I will be the first to admit - I always thought that those who criticized the org were untruthful or exaggerating

I guess we will all forgive you for that, Scotsman. It's again to do with the way
you have been taught to think as a jw. It's also commendable IMHO that you
are now prepared to make an honest evaluation of what we have to say instead
of dismissing it out of hand, which the watchtower would obviously prefer you
to do. What you do in the future, once you have disseminated the information
on here, is obviously up to you, and I for one won't attempt to influence you, but
whatever you decide, I wish you well.

Trev

15

Flip flop, flip flop

by dedpoet in

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here is a poem i wrote about watchtower doctrinal changes.. i got the idea when i was reading on quotes a couple of days.

ago,.

flip flop.. flip flop, flip flop.

dedpoet

OTWO, I ike your poem as well.

Here's a few more verses, based on some of their other,
slightly less significant, doctrinal changes over the years.
They are based on information on Quotes, and there is
plenty more ammunition on there.

http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/home.html

Flip flop, flip flop
The people of Sodom aren't for the chop
But wait! Perhaps they won't be back
Oh yes they will! Let's change our tack
No they won't, we'll kill them off again
They're so long dead they won't feel the pain
We're certain now, the light shines clear
When paradise comes, they won't be here

Flip flop, flip flop
If we need blood, we'll take a drop
Oh no we won't, as we now think
That blood is something we should not drink
Well, maybe we can relax a bit
And not take whole blood, just parts of it
But we'll make it clear what can be used
So none of our members get confused

Flip flop, flip flop
Those pagan practices have to stop
We must never wear a cross
No more Christmas, it's such a loss
We cannot celebrate holidays
Or even acknowledge our own birthdays
Not being too strict, we'll draw the line
At wedding anniversaries, they're still fine

Flip flop, flip flop
Governments are clearly the men at the top
We used to think so, but perhaps we were wrong
And it's really been jah and his son all along
But wait a minute, it could still be
The worldly rulers at the top of the tree
Yes, we're sure now, we've had new light
It's very clear that our first thought was right

Flip flop, flip flop
We need this Douglas Walsh trial to stop
We are under pressure as the lawyer tries
To make us admit to telling lies
We daren't do that, so we'll put up a fight
Although it's obvious that he is right
We've prophesied falsely. there is no doubt
We must make sure our members never find out

I have to go out soon, but have a few ideas for other verses.
If anyone wants to add to these, feel free. I'll include anything
as long as it's sarcastic!

Trev

15

Flip flop, flip flop

by dedpoet in

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here is a poem i wrote about watchtower doctrinal changes.. i got the idea when i was reading on quotes a couple of days.

ago,.

flip flop.. flip flop, flip flop.

dedpoet

Here is a poem I wrote about watchtower doctrinal changes.
I got the idea when I was reading on Quotes a couple of days
ago,

Flip flop.

Flip flop, flip flop
Will these changes ever stop?
New light is needed, we've encountered a hitch
For goodness sake, someone throw the switch
It's 1914, and we shouldn't be here
We said this would be our rapture year
So let's try and think up a brand new date
But we need to hurry, it's getting late

Flip flop, flip flop
It's 1926, we've been caught on the hop
We said last year would be the last
Before armageddon, but now it's passed
Millions now living will probably die
People might say we've told them a lie
But we needn't worry, it's not really late
Let's tell them we can't hold jah to a date

Flip flop, flip flop
Preach the good news and never dtop
For 1975 is certain to bring
An end to this old system of things
Well, '75 has been and gone
And still this old system carries on
But don't accuse us of telling any lies
We never really promised you paradise

Flip flop, flip flop
By the year 2000 this system must stop
For the 1914 generation will not pass away
Before jehovah brings his great day
But now we've reached 1995
And not many 1914'ers are still alive
So let's get new light to shine again
Before we have another failure to explain

Flip flop, flip flop
The number of anointed just won't drop
Even though it's 70 years, and more
Since we locked up Heaven's door
We can never admit to making a mistake
But we need to give a reason why so many partake
So let's invite more to answer heaven's call
By saying the gathering hasn't ended after all

Flip flop, flip flop
The doctrinal changes never stop
It's oh so subtle how they back away
From any teaching that has had it's day
That so many of their members don't realise
That what they're really teaching is a pack of lies
They claim that new light has shone from afar
Like the snake oil salesmen that they really are

I might add a few more verses tomorrow.

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Presiding Overseer's wife publically reproved.

by ThomasCovenant in

latest gossip round these here parts is that the wife of the presiding overseer has been 'publically reproved'.

nothing has filtered through about what the 'crime' was yet.. they are a young couple and he appears to me to be very conscientious in doing his best for the brothers.

i feel sorry for them as i have seen the pressure on them to juggle the demands of the cong with his wife who i think may suffer from depression.. thanks.

dedpoet

I wonder if that will mean he has to step down? He might be
regarded as not presiding over his own household too well if
his wife has been reproved.

If he does have to step down, they'll both be better off.

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My mind won't shut off !

by Maddie in

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it is after 3am and i am sitting here on my own not being able to sleep.

this seems to happen to me quite often lately and my head is like a washing machine - going round and round.

i am going to see the doctor tomorrow and tell him how i am feeling.

dedpoet

Purps wrote

I suggest reading
The Power of NOW by ekhartt tolle

That would be my suggestion as well - excellent read. Also, the
True Believer by Eric Hoffer is a good read.

Whatever you do, Maddie, just remember that these feelings will pass
in time, and that you will always have our support.

Take care

Trev