Posts by IW

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SHUNNED FATHER DEATHSUIT AGAINST THE WATCHTOWER - UPDATE

by SHUNNED FATHER in

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the name of the trust fund is save the children.

the cheques should be made out to: save the children and mailed to:.

save the children.

IW

Hi Quotes,

Furthermore, I don't know if Ray knows about the merits of Lawrence's case. Not sure what he could add to the conversation (although it would be WONDERFUL to see him here posting), unless all you are looking for is a Superstar Endorsement.

No, Bro, I'm not looking for a "Superstar Endorsement," I can think for myself, thank you!

I think you and others in the "know" here are aware of my point. I am not stupid and neither are you.

What I seek is honesty. There are those among the exJW community whose only goal is to bring down the Watchtower no matter what it costs! But the Watchtower will not be brought down! The Catholic Church survives because she serves a purpose in the lives of millions, so too the Watchtower, she will survive. But there are those exJWs so obsessed that they will do whatever it takes to, in their deluded minds, bring her down. Not going to happen! In the mean while, innocent people used and abused by the Watchtower fall prey to those exJWs who love revenge much more than they love reason and common sense!

If the Witnesses deserve truth so do the exJWs Bro! Bethany received her blood transfusions and but just like many other non-JW leukemia ridden children she died. Christ! They die! The Government did their best. Laurence taught his child not to accept blood, she believed him. The state did not believe him and she was tied down and received it! Please explain to me the problem you see here?

IW

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SHUNNED FATHER DEATHSUIT AGAINST THE WATCHTOWER - UPDATE

by SHUNNED FATHER in

jw
friends

the name of the trust fund is save the children.

the cheques should be made out to: save the children and mailed to:.

save the children.

IW

Hi Quotes,

Do you know Ray Franz personally also? If so, could you get him to support Laurence's cause by posting on this thread to that effect? If you do I would eat my words and humbly apologize!

IW

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SHUNNED FATHER DEATHSUIT AGAINST THE WATCHTOWER - UPDATE

by SHUNNED FATHER in

jw
friends

the name of the trust fund is save the children.

the cheques should be made out to: save the children and mailed to:.

save the children.

IW

No Hubert I'm not saying that.

Do you have children? Did you teach your children to not take blood? Ray Franz and his wife also refused blood though she came close to dying. JWs who refuse blood refuse because they really believe it! Were you a JW? Did you sign the blood card?

IW?

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Dan Sydlik dies, the last of the moderating forces.

by SadElder in

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our good friend dan sydlik died today about 2 pm eastern time.

he was the last of the moderating forces on the gb.

lately he has had little influence among the ted (aka the boss) jaracz (head of the bethel cia - the service department) henchmen and loyalists.

IW

Dan Sydlik was a good man. Not perfect man but a good man.

Any here who would cast a stone let him declare his own perfection!

IW

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SHUNNED FATHER DEATHSUIT AGAINST THE WATCHTOWER - UPDATE

by SHUNNED FATHER in

jw
friends

the name of the trust fund is save the children.

the cheques should be made out to: save the children and mailed to:.

save the children.

IW

Hi Lawrence,

Well, it seems my posts on this thread have been a catalyst for loud declarations of support for you, both in word and money. This is fine.

In February, 2004 a Newsweek magazine front cover asked, "Who Really Killed Jesus?" Interesting question. Turning the question to the present conversation: Who really killed your daughter? Did she receive the blood transfusions the Drs. said she needed? Was there some delay in her treatment? Did the Canadian government do their job? Did they protect a minor?

If they did not protect a minor then you should rightly be angry with your government. If they did protect a minor but failed to save your daughter then who is to blame? If there was a delay in treatment why was that? Lawrence, I brought up my children in the JW religion. I taught them not to accept blood. I believed it. If I had not believed it I would not have taught it to my children! Bro, once I indoctrinated my children in the JW religion should I really be surprised if they adhere to it? No!

I never took the blood issue lightly! Never! If we teach our children to die over a cause that is what they will probably do.

I am seeking reason here, nothing more.

IW

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SHUNNED FATHER DEATHSUIT AGAINST THE WATCHTOWER - UPDATE

by SHUNNED FATHER in

jw
friends

the name of the trust fund is save the children.

the cheques should be made out to: save the children and mailed to:.

save the children.

IW

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/14/36093/485764/post.ashx#485764

Jehovah's Witness teen dies
By CAROL HARRINGTON -- The Canadian Press

CALGARY -- A 17-year-old Jehovah's Witness girl who received dozens of blood transfusions against her wishes died Thursday of leukemia in an Edmonton hospital.

Since the Calgary teen was diagnosed last February with acute leukemia, Bethany Hughes fought a very public court battle that split her parents and pitted the teen against the Alberta government.

"I wasn't expecting her to die," said Stan Hill, a family friend and an elder at Bethany's Calgary church. "I'm just distraught."

"She put up a grand fight and she almost beat the cancer," said Hill, who visited Bethany in hospital last week.

The teen died at 1:30 p.m. MDT, after taking a turn for the worst the previous day, Hill said.

Shane Brady, a lawyer for the girl's mother said his client did not want to talk to media.

"The Hughes family is grieving the loss of Bethany, a courageous young woman who fought her disease with dignity to the end," Brady said in a news release.

Throughout court proceedings, judges consistently went against the findings of psychiatrists and bioethicists who argued that Hughes was a mature minor. The courts awarded the province custody under Alberta Child Welfare Act.

The courts concluded that the teen was pressured by her religion to refuse the transfusions and that she didn't have a free, informed will. Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that the Bible states in Acts 15:28 that blood transfusions are against God's wishes.

Doctors gave Hughes a 40 to 50 per cent chance of beating the cancer with intensive chemotherapy and blood transfusions. But after four months of treatment, cancerous legions appeared on her back and doctors held out little hope that she would survive.

During many transfusions, Hughes struggled with hospital staff, who held her down in her hospital bed.

She originally told court that her refusal to accept blood was for religious reasons. But after months in hospital, she said it became a fight for teenagers' rights to choose medical treatment.

"My case is about rights," she told a provincial court in July. "We live in this great country called Canada -- a country where all its citizens can live the way they want to, go where they want to.

"They have freedoms -- the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. . . . But if you are under 18 you don't fall under citizen any more. They take it away."

Shortly after Hughes was diagnosed with leukemia, her father decided to go against the Witness faith by consenting to the blood transfusions.

Hughes turned cold and later angry toward him for not taking her part against the transfusions, her father said.

Her parents separated and Bethany, her 14-year-old sister Cassandra and her mother moved away from the family home into a three-bedroom apartment in June.

Even though he was ostracized by the Jehovah's Witnesses and his wife and daughters, Lawrence Hughes said he has no regrets.

"I did what I think any decent father would do -- try to save their child's life at any cost," he said.

"I'd do it all over again. I have no guilt whatsoever nor any regrets."

The family had moved from Belleville, Ont., to Calgary three years ago.

Many bioethicists say this case is similar to that of Tyrell Dueck, a 13-year-old Saskatoon boy whose Christian fundamentalist family battled in 1999 with doctors and Social Services over whether the boy was capable of deciding his own medical treatment for cancer.

Dueck and his family opted for prayers, herbal remedies and alternative treatments at a Mexican clinic, rather than undergoing the recommended conventional treatment. He died after the cancer spread to his lungs.

In the Hughes and Dueck cases, judges ruled that the teen's parents and religious upbringing skewed their ability to make reasonable, sound medical decisions.

And in both cases, the provincial governments dropped custody of the teens when the cancer returned and doctors said death was imminent.

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SHUNNED FATHER DEATHSUIT AGAINST THE WATCHTOWER - UPDATE

by SHUNNED FATHER in

jw
friends

the name of the trust fund is save the children.

the cheques should be made out to: save the children and mailed to:.

save the children.

IW

Elsewhere,

I have to call into question the motives of IW. Shunned Father is trying to fight a very difficult legal battle against a very powerful corporation, and IW seems to be doing everything possible to discourage people from extending help to Shunned Father.
IW, if you do not want to support him, then don't, but don't you dare try to discourage others from helping in a legitimate fund raiser! Your questions make me wonder if you are in any way affiliated with the legal actions being taken by the WTS.
EVERYONE, it is quite obvious that IW is trying very hard to use the old "divide and conquer" technique here. This is why I must call into question IW's motives. Why would someone work so hard at stopping something with the potential to help so many people?
In this situation every dollar counts toward Shunned Father winning a victory. This is OUR chance at winning a legal victory against the WTS that will, in the end, save many lives if won.

I'm sorry you feel that way but that's okay you're entitled to your opinion.

First, let my say that I supported Barbara Anderson's efforts this past December and still do.

Second, I have lost a relative to the JW blood doctrine. I have no love for it believe me! I also have no love for the Watchtower leadership and their crimes against God and the brothers and sisters still languishing under their control.

Third, after leaving my lifelong religion, my friends and family and, like many here, suffering mightily for it I refuse to be put into another box!

I believe my exJW brothers and sisters deserve the whole picture of things and in this way they can make an informed decision or is it only JWs who should be told the whole truth?

If facts cloud the issue then how are we different than the Witnesses? I did not tell anyone not to contribute to this brother's effort but it seems you feel the things I wrote are a discouragement. Why? If what I wrote is wrong then I hope to be corrected but if it was true than what is the problem? Or is it only Witnesses who deserve the "facts"?

I'm sorry Bro, I will not bend my back to another cause without being free to speak my heart and mind. If that makes me wrong in your eyes that's okay Bro, cause there is nothing anyone here could say or do to me that has not already been said and done by my own friends and relatives in the Org, and like you, I survived.

Peace to you,

IW

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So, why did I meet with the elders?

by lola28 in

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friends

this is my explanation as to why i met with the elders today.

when i agreed to meet with the elders last week i had made up my mind to just go in and be honest with them.

i was going to tell the elders that i no longer believed this to be the truth, and then i was just going to walk away.

IW

Hi Lola,

You showed love towards those you love. Can't find anything wrong with that.

Peace and happiness,

IW

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SHUNNED FATHER DEATHSUIT AGAINST THE WATCHTOWER - UPDATE

by SHUNNED FATHER in

jw
friends

the name of the trust fund is save the children.

the cheques should be made out to: save the children and mailed to:.

save the children.

IW

Hubert,

There are many "boxes". If you can't bear to even hear the whisper of a disagreeing word then you haven't really left the JWs!

Think about it, Bro!

IW

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SHUNNED FATHER DEATHSUIT AGAINST THE WATCHTOWER - UPDATE

by SHUNNED FATHER in

jw
friends

the name of the trust fund is save the children.

the cheques should be made out to: save the children and mailed to:.

save the children.

IW

Hi Scully,

No, I don't need to review his posting history nor do I have the time to do so. I'm confident that you know the situation and if I said something incorrect you yourself would have corrected me. You are an intelligent woman, Scully, and know what is true here and what is not.

IW