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  Gregg Stafford returning to the Big O

  by Amazing in

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  greg stafford posted on july 1, 2006 that he is returning to the organization.

  you can read his article at: http://www.elihubooks.com/greg-stafford/another.htm.

  his rationale and logic are most interesting.

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  Under_believer,

  I don't know the particulars about Stafford's elder situation. I do, though, know my own. I had elders who were very understanding and patient. Without going into detail here they could have disfellowshipped me if they had wanted to but they didn't. They exercised quite a bit of allowance and left me alone though they knew I opposed the GB. Perhaps Stafford has a similar situation, I don't know.

  My only point here is that Stafford should be allowed the dignity of his own conscience and his own decision making. Who are we to find fault?

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  Gregg Stafford returning to the Big O

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greg stafford posted on july 1, 2006 that he is returning to the organization.

  you can read his article at: http://www.elihubooks.com/greg-stafford/another.htm.

  his rationale and logic are most interesting.

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  Under_believer,

  Stafford by his own admission is not following his conscience--he is suspending it to "wait on Jehovah."

  This in itself is a conscience decision....he is putting his trust in the hands of God. My point is, why should he be villified for it? Does his decision invalidate our own? Why not give the man the dignity of his own decision and conscience? Why do exJW's insist on a "my way or the wrong way" mentality? Is this really progress?

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  Gregg Stafford returning to the Big O

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greg stafford posted on july 1, 2006 that he is returning to the organization.

  you can read his article at: http://www.elihubooks.com/greg-stafford/another.htm.

  his rationale and logic are most interesting.

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  Farkel,

  Back to the frying pan and back into a cult. I guest Greg calls this "progress."

  I hate to interrupt this testosterone fest but shouldn't Greg be allowed his freedom of choice according to conscience or does disagreeing with the exJW powers that be amount to disagreeing with the GB?

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  Gregg Stafford returning to the Big O

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greg stafford posted on july 1, 2006 that he is returning to the organization.

  you can read his article at: http://www.elihubooks.com/greg-stafford/another.htm.

  his rationale and logic are most interesting.

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  Jim,

  I agree with many of the comments, especially what Randy Watters had to say, as he gives a balanced perspective. Although, Willyloman said it in a succinct style, "Dog, returns, vomit." It will be interesting to see just how things turn out for Greg.

  Jim Whitney

  Obviously the point of your thread was to put down the man as revealed by your comment above. Very small, Jim.

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  Gregg Stafford returning to the Big O

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greg stafford posted on july 1, 2006 that he is returning to the organization.

  you can read his article at: http://www.elihubooks.com/greg-stafford/another.htm.

  his rationale and logic are most interesting.

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  Nick off, Island Woman! The only person who needs to grow up around here is you, with your luke-warm, foot-in-both-camps refusal to make a move either way. You're Greg Stafford's Mini-Me.

  Hi there, Stephanus,

  So you think you have the whole picture do you? No buddy, you're just as caught up in "cult" thinking as the JWs are. Any damn group that thinks it has a monopoly on right thinking is a cult. Many exJWs are in their own cult, the exJW "we know better than most" club.

  Is it wrong for Stafford to return to the JWs? Does his return somehow invalidate our leaving that religion? Personally, it does not invalidate my leaving. I don't need Stafford to leave or return...I am my own person. And I allow him the same dignity. He is free to leave or return and free to decide upon his own conscience. As are you.

  And I think anyone who cuts him down for returning in reality only reveals their own smallness!

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  Gregg Stafford returning to the Big O

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greg stafford posted on july 1, 2006 that he is returning to the organization.

  you can read his article at: http://www.elihubooks.com/greg-stafford/another.htm.

  his rationale and logic are most interesting.

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  OUR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY! LOL

  What a pitiful thread. So Stafford decides to return, so what! Or are exJWs so pitifully small they must degrade anyone who decides to return to the religion they themselves once kissed ass to?

  Cut the bull. You all kissed the man and you liked it. So Stafford decides to return does Whitney or Dogpatch have a religious place for those who are searching? Does Ray Franz? No!

  Grow up!

  IW
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  Governing Body and their sins

  by moanzy in

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  i was just reminiscing about things i remember being said to me by elders about disfellowshipping.

  a person can be disfellowshipped because of gross sin(could mean anything), being unrepentant etc.

  an elder said to me that a person may be disfellowshipped even though he is repentant if it is gross sin and his sin widely known.. so my question is why doesn't this also apply to the governing body?

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  Moanzy,

  So my question is why doesn't this also apply to the Governing Body? Wouldn't the UN scandle fall under this category?

  Why? Isn't the Malawi/Mexico mess a greater sin?

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  Barbara Anderson- Your new book on Russell

  by IW in

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  barbara,.

  i read this recently on the biblestudents.net forum:i know barbara, we use to talk on the phone, when she learned i was writing a history of pastor russell and the ibsa.

  in the countless hours we spent on the phone.

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  Hi Barbara,

  In fact, as found in the divorce transcript, C. T. Russell said his wife would not even walk next to him on the sidewalk because she lost all respect and confidence in him. Just what did he do to her to cause her to lose all love and respect which contributed to making their home full of “angry voices, …with frowns and hard sayings” until there was no “home” anymore? I’ll answer that question in the future.
  
  Barbara

  Sadly it's Maria who is villified today both in the Watchtower and among some Bible Students.

  Thank you so much Barbara. I appreciated your contribution to the thread, very interesting material you've gathered and I look forward to reading your book!

  Warm regards to you also,

  IW
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  Guantanamo Bay Suicides - a PR Move

  by eyeslice in

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  quote from bbc website .

  a top us official has described the suicides of three detainees at the us base at guantanamo bay, cuba, as a "good pr move to draw attention".

  colleen graffy told the bbc the deaths were part of a strategy and "a tactic to further the jihadi cause", but taking their own lives was unnecessary.

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  Gregor,

  You too, have a great week! I too enjoyed our, shall we say, "sweet" exchange.

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  PROTEST AT WATCHTOWER SOCIETY

  by SHUNNED FATHER in

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  we had a fun time last june at the protest and afterward we got together for a meal.

  i hope to see you this june.

  last june , i was invited to the ctv television studio and was interviewed live on canada am which is shown from coast to coast.

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  Hi Johnny cip,

  You said:

  IW your one sick woman. your wishing this man to return to the wts. the wt destroyed his whole family. helped kill his daughter . and your wishing, him and his wife comfort in this. you should be banned from this board. i have lost any respect i might have had for you. your truely SICK.

  You should re-read what I wrote Johnny. I did not say Lawrence should return to the Watchtower! Take a break bro, and read a tad more carefully!

  IW